Banned and restricted announcement speculation?
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Posted on June 12, 2017, 6:41 p.m. by InnerFlame
Tomorrow is the scheduled date for a banned and restricted announcement by wizards. What do you guys believe will happen?
RowdyMagic18 says... #3
I heard many rumors of Aetherworks Marvel getting banned from standard. I would be more then happy to see it go.
June 12, 2017 6:55 p.m.
Marvel Ban in standard, nothing in modern and I don't follow the other formats.
Those are my predictions
June 12, 2017 6:57 p.m.
They did just state that deaths shadow is the new splinter twin. Foreshadowing maybe?
June 12, 2017 7:01 p.m.
I'd rather unban JtMS... it wouldn't actually be super broken in the meta but itll still never happen... although I could see an argument for SFM unban because Batterskull isn't very scary anymore...
June 12, 2017 7:03 p.m.
My guess is no bans in Standard because Marvel hasn't been performing very well in proportion to how much of the meta it is. Also with Jeskai Vehicles being new they will probably use their "need more data" excuse.
No idea on the other formats.
June 12, 2017 7:10 p.m.
SFM isn't coming off. That card allows you to gain access to the swords which are powerful silver bullets. Just running one allows you to pray on color combinations and 4 SMF allows regular access to them. Even if this weren't broken, you'd hurt fair decks too much for it to be a smart move for the format.
June 12, 2017 7:13 p.m.
InnerFlame says... #10
As much as I would lover for Splinter Twin to be unbanned(I've been thinking about it all day), TMBRLZ, I don't think it happens. The only reason they'd do that is to offset shadow and I don't think they've ever banned a deck to combat another. Evil twin would be so viable in this format though. I could totally see them taking something to take down shadow's power, seuvius, thing is what? Nothing you really ban from it knocks the deck down a peg. I heard Street Wraith maybe but I don't it does much. With the deck racking up 13% of the meta though, something has to be down. Unfortunately that probably means banning shadow which would kill the deck and send it back to jund.
Marvel makes sense, RowdyMagic18. Although I don't get into modern too much so I can't say much about that. I'm more modern.
I could see them unbanning JtMS, Zaueski. Control needs something as it hasn't been able to set a strong foot in modern as well as Afro and combo. And there has actually been decent talk about that. I don't see SFM being unbanned as the recall equipment deck has started to gain ground here and there and is already playtesting decently.
June 12, 2017 7:17 p.m.
InnerFlame - unbanning Jace is a questionable move even if it were to be ok for now. It's also another card that punishes fair decks. Oh, and Jace does very little against aggro. Seriously. You gonna bounce my Goblin Guide T4? Aight. Cool. Control is already a thing in modern, just not the stereotypical draw-go. What the archetype needs is cheap interaction. Fatal Push is a godsend for the archetype.
June 12, 2017 7:32 p.m. Edited.
Oloro_Magic says... #12
I don't see anything happening on the legacy front; Dark Depths is getting a little scary but even then the format is going through a creative period after the banning of top.
June 12, 2017 7:44 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #13
13% isn't that much of the meta where a banning is warranted.
June 12, 2017 8:30 p.m.
@MindAblaze
In the Spinter Twin ban announcement, Wizards wrote this:
"We also look for decks that hold a large enough percentage of the competitive field to reduce the diversity of the format. In the interest of competitive diversity, Splinter Twin is banned from Modern."
I think it's worth nothing that Twin decks held consistently between 7 and 13 percent for years depending on fluctuations based on mtgtop and mtggoldfish data. I never bought the percentage argument from wizards back then and I'm not going to buy it now.
June 12, 2017 8:39 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #15
Splinter Twin! Splinter Twin! Splinter Twin!
I love Modern right now, I just want to shake it up a tiny bit. I think Twin would be okay, maybe even a simple Preordain unban instead. I honestly expect no changes to Modern, but I would love to see SOMETHING change. Either way, I'm relatively happy.
June 12, 2017 9:28 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #17
I know. xD I said: "I honestly expect no changes to Modern, but I would love to see SOMETHING change. Either way, I'm relatively happy."
June 12, 2017 9:42 p.m.
InnerFlame says... #18
Yeah I'd say modern is pretty alright. But something about shadow I think should probably be done. It's doing just as well as twin did and I think limiting the format a bit. But it could just be doing so well from the sheer number of people playing it right now too.
June 12, 2017 9:45 p.m.
If anything, Street Wraith should go. That card will never be used in fair strategies. Its sole purpose is to accomplish something degenerate in the format.
June 12, 2017 9:47 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #20
Yeah, if anything gets banned, by bet is Street Wraith and Marvel (in standard).
June 12, 2017 9:56 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #21
I disagreed with the Twin ban at the time too. I can't say anything about Standard, because I don't play it and assume the smaller card pool leads to fewer Tier 1 competitive decks, but Modern seems good right now other than the whole "midrange; the format" thing.
June 12, 2017 10:32 p.m.
InnerFlame says... #22
Yeah I just don't know if Street Wraith warrants it. I think the deck deserves to be knocked down but I don't think there's one card that knocks it down too much. Unless you hit shadow and kill the deck. But then again, wraith is like probe.
June 12, 2017 10:34 p.m.
Stoneforge Mystic ehhhhhhh ehhhh?lets see death and taxes tier 1 people
June 13, 2017 12:29 a.m.
CharonSquared says... #25
Why is Rite of Flame still banned? Now that storm decks have eight electromancers, Pyretic Ritual is usually better because it's more likely to net you two mana.
June 13, 2017 12:34 a.m.
emrakulinsmugglers says... #26
marvel might get hit in standard, as the new nicol bolas seems a powerful target.
modern will likely see no changes, although I personally want a Glimpse of Nature unban. their reasoning was that elves could win on turn 3, but the ban didn't actually stop elves from having a turn 3 win, and other decks exist that can win much earlier.
ban statement
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/welcome-modern-world-2011-08-12
June 13, 2017 1:41 a.m. Edited.
I think Marvel is as good as gone but I don't play standard so don't take my thought there to hard.
They are never unbanning Jace because if they ever had to reban it ala grave troll wizards office night burn down from bad PR. Cant remember the source if it was SCG or a YouTuber like the prof but they were recently mentioning (last few months) how they asked about Jace to one of the guys in charge of bannings and that was basically why he won't be unbanned. Same goes for SFM.
I'd love to see twin back but honestly if you want to give Blue a card to play with why not unban Dig Through Time? It honestly got banned unfairly as a "this will just replace cruise in every deck" excuse. Sorry burn can't splash UU to play dig. Delver would be viable again. You could see some draw go control again although storm might get too powerful is the only downside in mind. But I think it's time to give DTT a real and fair shot. (also I miss the hell out of that card.)
June 13, 2017 2:04 a.m.
landofMordor says... #28
I'm guessing (hoping) no changes in Standard or Modern.
Yes, Marvel is degenerate, but the meta has responded to it pretty well with UW flash and BG Delirium. Marvel appears to be dominating by numbers, but like others have said, that only happens because tons of people (not all of them pros) are playing it. And once Ulamog rotates, the deck will have no degenerate targets (someone mentioned Bolas, but he would require a 4C deck to get access to Rogue Refiner and hardcast Bolas, and Bolas is not quite as punishing as Ulamog anyways).
My reasoning is the same for no Shadow bannings of any kind. Yeah, it's popular, because it's new, but we've got no reason to expect that it will dominate in the future. It's also notable that both Grixis and Jund versions of the deck are viable, even though they play really differently, which might skew the data.
June 13, 2017 6:43 a.m.
I want Goblin Recruiter unbanned in Legacy. I don't think it's on anyone's radar though to have any changes.
I'm wondering what will happen with Vintage. Last update saw the restriction of Gitaxian Probe and Gush. These haven't done anything to the metagame as Mentor and MUD variants continue to dominate the format. If anything, the format got worse because archetypes outside of those two decks were hit disproportionately. I still think the problem is with Monastery Mentor. Gitaxian Probe and Gush were merely symptoms of a larger problem.
Personally, I don't think Death's Shadow is all that good. The deck is pretty glass cannon. The problem isn't the power the deck, it's that there isn't a strong control deck left in the format.
A lot of the U/R/x control lists have so many issues sideboarding against everything you just have to cut your losses and save the space, hoping you don't need a certain card in your 75. The loss of Splinter Twin and Dig Through Time really hurt the archetype. B/G/x Rock variants haven't been able to keep up much, either.
There's been sprinkles of good control cards here and there (Nahiri, the Harbinger and Fatal Push come to mind). There's just not a whole lot of catch-all answers in the format for control or card advantage engines. Maybe we need something like a Deathrite Shaman unban or Dig Through Time taken off? Artifact lands so Affinity can just race Death's Shadow even faster and keep the deck in check that way? Maybe they should just reprint Force of Will, Misdirection, or Daze in a Standard set so we have something that's a consistent Counterspell and we can eliminate the turn 4 rule?
Honestly, I hope they don't ban anything in Modern and start unbanning cards. I think we've gone in circles with the format. A lot of the No Banlist Modern tournaments have shown things are actually quite diverse. If anything, the banlist is hurting format diversity. The real problematic cards are essentially Treasure Cruise, Skullclamp, Stoneforge Mystic, Green Sun's Zenith, Blazing Shoal, Umezawa's Jitte, Sensei's Divining Top, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, and Hypergenesis. While other cards on the banlist may also be problematic, these are the only ones that really come to mind as being cards that should never come off.
June 13, 2017 8:46 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #30
I find it hard to disagree with anything you said, sylvannos. I do want a band list, that's what makes modern the healthiest format, but it's been stale lately and could use a kick of diversity. Control has never grabbed a firm hold(outside of twin) in modern and that's a shame. We'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here in two hours. I'm selfishly hoping something big happens with the format, but I know the chances of wizards unbanning cards has always been slim.
June 13, 2017 9:02 a.m.
They might ban Aetherworks Marvel but there are a lot of answers to it, and the decks that utilise it don't automatically win, so I wouldn't be surprised or they leave it alone.
June 13, 2017 9:27 a.m.
Yup, found the announcement.
Aetherworks Marvel now banned in Standard.
I wonder what everyone will cry about, now.
It's not a bad thing to see the end of a deck that mostly wins due to luck.
I'm interested to see what decks will rise to the top of the meta now.
June 13, 2017 11 a.m. Edited.
Poor Modern.
Not lucky like us in a Standard. We get all the juicy bans.
Hey Wizards, ban Forest. It is too OP.
June 13, 2017 11:04 a.m. Edited.
InnerFlame says... #39
Haha what are there like 5 cards banned in standard right now?
June 13, 2017 11:06 a.m.
Well nothing needed banned in modern and the only things that could maybe have worked for unbanning were Jace and Splintertwin...The rest was all too broken or too fast.
June 13, 2017 11:06 a.m.
Winterblast says... #41
Why do they even ban cards from standard nowadays? I thought they wanted to quit doing that sonetimes back in urzas saga...
June 13, 2017 11:07 a.m.
Argy You jest, but I'd love to ban forest xD Teach all these people how to play without creatures sounds fun to me :D
June 13, 2017 11:08 a.m.
Yup. Five bans in Standard.
Aetherworks Marvel
Emrakul, the Promised End
Felidar Guardian
Reflector Mage
Smuggler's Copter
June 13, 2017 11:08 a.m. Edited.
The only one of those cards I don't like being banned is Reflector Mage.
June 13, 2017 11:15 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #45
That's crazy that there's that many bans in standard. Well, seems like a good reason to have a team now devoted to making sure that doesn't happen...probably should have happened before though.
As far as modern goes, I agree nt Bing really warranted a ban. Nothing in shadow made the deck toonover powered and honestly I think all the top 8s from the deck are from the sheer number of people playing it right now; However, I was hoping for an unbanning of twin. I miss that deck.
June 13, 2017 11:16 a.m.
i feel like ome modern un-bans are long overdue. banning can change the meta, but unbanning could just as much.
June 13, 2017 11:23 a.m.
InnerFlame says... #47
I think wizards just wants to be extra cautious of Urban's because of the Golgari Grave-Troll incident where they had to ban it again, Vman
June 13, 2017 11:29 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #48
I am ok with this
Marvel was such a dick deck to play against. T4 Ulamog is not fun.
Now that the deck is gone we can see other decks flourish
June 13, 2017 11:32 a.m.
tedaboy159 the Reflector Mage was a contex thing.
It was originally to have rotated out before Aether Revolt, which was a set that had a lot of cards that allowed you to blink.
Since rotation had changed, it would have put Reflector Mage in with a set that had a LOT of blink options, allowing the card to immobilise a lot of decks.
seuvius says... #2
Something will either be banned or restricted or it wont!
June 12, 2017 6:51 p.m.