Will Magmatic Insight be played in modern?
Modern forum
Posted on July 23, 2015, 5:52 p.m. by SirFowler
I just have this idea about discarding Dakmor Salvage to Magmatic Insight. It will trigger once you draw, so you could dredge either on the first or the second draw. However, beyond that, I'm not sure how it would be more effective than cards like Faithless Looting.
I know that the looting is better when you want to discard cards like Bloodghast and other stuff to pump up the Goyf, but you discard afterwards. That means you can't abuse dredge before hand. I don't know if it's just a fever dream or a reality, but I would like to hear your thoughts about it and if it will become the new looting.
Oh, on a related note. If you would draw more than one card but only have one dredge card Dakmor Salvage in your graveyard, would you be able to dredge more after the first dredge if you happen to put another card with dredge into the graveyard? If you aren't sure what I mean, this is how it would go:
Turn 1: Drop Stomping Ground, cast Magmatic Insight, discarding Dakmor Salvage. Then you dredge 2 and bring back the salvage. Then, if a card with dredge appears in the graveyard after the dredge ability, you dredge again. Or would you only be able to dredge once because it says you draw 2 at the same time?
I probably should be asking this in the Rules Q&A, but I didn't want to open a new post even though it's in the same vicinity of this post.
July 23, 2015 6:06 p.m.
Will it get played? Sure. Should it get played? No. It's not good enough to supplant any of the current card draw cards available in Modern.
July 23, 2015 6:11 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #6
Yes, your dredge scenario works. If you land a second dredge card in the yard off of your first dredge, you can grab it with your second draw.
Also, the way that I see it, Magmatic insight is just Faithless Looting 5 and 6. It's more difficult to cast than FL, doesn't have any graveyard interaction for when you pass it over off of a dredge or whatever, and the discard needs to be a land which is less than ideal. Some modern jund dredge builds can use it if they want to speed their game up a bit, but it just isn't better than Faithless Looting in any form.
Source: I <3 Life from the Loam.
July 23, 2015 6:14 p.m.
The problem is that the basically only home for the card (JUnd Dredgevine) has no place for a card with so many conditions attached to make it less good than Faithless Looting. Also, the deck suffers from lack of space.
If you feel you must fit something in there, stock up on 4 Abrupt Decay and 4 Grisly Salvage, and only then try to jam this in. You will find there is no space in the deck.
July 23, 2015 6:25 p.m.
It will see play in storm where lands are useless pieces of junk in your hand while you are comboing off
July 23, 2015 6:37 p.m.
CheeseBro - That is false. Land drops are key in the Storm deck and it's mostly useless as you're setting up your hand.
July 23, 2015 6:48 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #10
It is only good when "going off", in which case, just run another blue cantrip. At least that will help you set up better.
July 23, 2015 6:48 p.m.
Wizard_of_the_Broke says... #11
Overall, it's a lesser Faithless Looting, and it won't see play apart from a few decks. That being said, it's great in Life from the Loam builds that run Dakmor Salvage anyway. And it doesn't net you -1 card like FL, so it makes sense to run a few, despite it being unplayable if it gets dredged. As I've playtested it, FL is still way better in the early game, but MI is a great way to replenish your hand later, when you almost certainly don't care about pitching a land, and may not want to pay FL's flashback cost. So it's playable, but that playability is highly conditional.
July 23, 2015 7:02 p.m.
filledelanuit says... #12
CheeseBro we've had this discussion before and it sucks in UR storm. Apparently it is good in Jeskai ascendancy but in UR storm you can't cast in on turn 1 something like 80% of the time.
canterlotguardian says... #2
I could see it as a 1 or 2-of in Dredge strategies. It could be a cute tactic that not a lot of people will see coming.
July 23, 2015 5:54 p.m.