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Posted on May 19, 2015, 4:35 a.m. by tyforthevenom
What's the good and bad matchup for the bogles deck?
My meta runs twin, abzan, blue elves, blue tron, infect, zoo, tribal zoo, affinity, living end, green stompy, tokens, merfolk, goblins, abzan the gathering(collected pod), amulet bloom and burn
I play R/G tron and run 2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and bogle decks hate me x)
May 19, 2015 4:51 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #4
ChiefBell Usually a hexproof deck is much faster than a Tron deck, and a T3 Karn doesn't do a whole lot. Most of the time, it should be easy, but the occasional game may be lost.
May 19, 2015 5:01 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #5
2x ugins with a semi inconsistent mana base? Sounds like a dream come true for aggro, ugin is awkward mana cost 
isn't the easiest number to hit when under pressure from a little (naughty word) that keeps hitting you
May 19, 2015 5:01 a.m.
This is why I did not mention a T3 karn, but instead mentioned a T3 death touch, life linker that produces more death touchers when it dies.
May 19, 2015 5:04 a.m.
The mana base may be somewhat inconsistent but but the point of tron is to try to get your tron lands out and win and if it doesn't do that you wont have a fun game and if it does then having a couple ugin that happen to only costs one more than what all the tron lands produce together is not a bad thing. I've always thought the argument that he costs 8 was ridiculous.
May 19, 2015 5:29 a.m.
Seraphicate says... #8
Bad matchups for bogle (from my experience) are twin, tron (if they mainboard ugin), living end, abzan company and RG burn, that Atarka's Command really puts a lot of work in, along with skullcrack.
Quick question, what exactly is blue elves ...
May 19, 2015 5:30 a.m.
seuvius - the difference between playing a threat T3 and playing a threat T4 in modern is HUGE.
May 19, 2015 5:35 a.m.
Well yes but as mentioned before the mana base in tron isn't always consistent,you may end up getting your tron lands out on turn 4 instead of 3 which means you will have 8 mana. Also,even if you get karn out in turn three you will have another turn after in which you will have 8 mana. Idk I just really find ugin to be extremely underrated lol
May 19, 2015 6:02 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #11
Blue elves is combo elves splashing blue so can make infinite mana draw the entire deck and swing for skywards of 500 damage by turn 4
May 19, 2015 6:10 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #12
seuvius Against Hexproof, a single turn can mean a game loss.
May 19, 2015 6:46 a.m.
And against twin, and against burn, and against collected company, and merfolk, and delver..... and more!
May 19, 2015 6:55 a.m.
The worst cards for Boggles to face are Liliana of the Veil, Anger of the Gods before you get your auras on them, and Crackling Doom. That doesn't take into account Ugin, the Spirit Dragon wiping the field either.
May 19, 2015 8:33 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #16
Liliana I have 1/40 chance of facing anger of the gods 1/20 ugin 1/40 crackling doom 0/40
May 19, 2015 8:36 a.m.
The-Xellos says... #17
I would be more worried about sideboards. Spellskite will be your worse enemy, any deck could use it. You could sideboard it too to help deal with Twin, Infect, and Affinity. You could side Leyline of Sanctity to help with burn. I love having Choke in my sideboard too. I was able to drop that turn three against a twin deck (when they were tapped out) and shut them down.
May 19, 2015 9:33 a.m.
Programmer_112 says... #18
I assume that that's for a specific metagame, because Liliana is a lot closer to 1/10
May 19, 2015 9:35 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #20
Tbh, I own 1/4 of the decks that make up my meta and just loan them out, would do the same for legacy but that's harder
May 19, 2015 10:50 a.m.
Bogles excels at beating up on fair decks and control decks that rely on removal, however like many linear strategies it's very soft to specific cards and even more so to itself. After playing Bogles excessively when Zoo was back because of the Wild Nacatl unbanning, I would guess that every 1 in 10 games you lose to simply mulligan to oblivion. Though it's worth noting that bogles does have some draws from even a very small hand capable of beating its good match-ups. Bogles struggles against un-fair decks since most of them are faster and it doesn't pack a lot of interaction.
In the current metagame it's a bit of a toss up, Bogles is much more reasonable now that Birthing Pod is gone, which mainboarded a lot of problematic cards and could combo, and Liliana of the Veil is at a low point. But a lot of the decks that it was good against, like UWR, are also in decline.
May 19, 2015 12:22 p.m. Edited.
As a blue Tron player facing up against boggles often, it can be a pain. It's usually a sweep one way or the other. The trick is surviving until ugin/oblivion stone. If I get a spellskite early game they're dead. If I can drop platinum angel, I'll just countermagic protect it until mindslaver, then win. Easy peasy. If I somehow don't draw into either in time, I die violently and quickly.
But I've won at -83 life or so absurdly often against boggles. Always funny.
May 19, 2015 5:58 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #23
i run singleton Leyline of Sanctity mainboard partly so blue tron becomes a stalemate if i can race ugin and they get out angel.. i know this coz i managed to survive o stone with totem armor ghost quarter academy ruins and then go 200 life to -180 life (mine vs theirs) won coz i found path before they found ugin and they swung into my vigilant reach bogle next game... but this is modo not actual cards
May 19, 2015 6:12 p.m.
I'm not sure Leyline of Sanctity is really pertinent here. It stops mindslaver, sure, but it does nothing against all the other wincons. If I can mindslaver lock you, I can certainly drop Ugin. I can drop Wurmcoil Engine or Sundering Titan. A boardwiped lonely bogle saved by a totem armor can't do anything in the face of that. I think you can run more efficient sideboard hate for Tron. If I don't have an counter for Stony Silence I'm dead. Much more terrifying to me than Leyline. Stony shuts down half my deck. Leyline shuts down a single one of my cards. I literally have nothing else that targets my opponent. Anyhow. My two cents.
May 19, 2015 10:14 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #25
Who said anything about sideboard? That's mainboard and totem armour protects from death touch and a bogle will often end up bigger than a titan
May 19, 2015 11:03 p.m.
The-Xellos - You can just exile the Bogle or the enchantments on the bogle.
tyforthevenom - Wurmcoil engine gives you 2 creatures with deathtouch, not 1. It deals with totem armour quite nicely.
May 20, 2015 10:12 a.m.
The-Xellos U-Tron doesn't run Karn. And shouldn't run Karn.
May 20, 2015 10:22 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #29
sees deathtouch creature plays totem armour but keeps ahold of the other smiles inside
May 20, 2015 10:30 a.m.
The thing is that bogles plays out fairly fast. It tends to run out of options fairly quickly. If you're faced with a threat that strips multiple of your resources with ease then you lose. Simple as.
May 20, 2015 12:48 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #31
turn 3 i expect to have atleast 1 more card available to play possibly a couple of i managed to get out spirit dancer chan
May 20, 2015 12:51 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #32
is it worth putting Melira, Sylvok Outcast as a 1 of in the side against infect? force them to play a fair game where you have a slight advantage (they don't have lifelink, why would they?)
May 20, 2015 6:40 p.m.
If you run into tons of infect I guess so. If not, then it's a full sideboard slot that is dead against every other matchup.
May 20, 2015 7:05 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #34
well we only got 2 infect players and i get matched against both every time near enough
ChiefBell says... #2
Twin can be tough because they can just ignore what you're doing and still win.
Abzan can be tough because T1 thoughtseize, mixed with abrupt decay to remove your enchantments
Tron can be tricky if they run wurmcoil engine and oblivion stone
Living End can be tricky because they main deck 3 board clears
Burn could be tricky but depends on if you get lifelink down or not.
The rest should be ok.
May 19, 2015 4:49 a.m.