Nivmagus Elemental
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Posted on April 16, 2015, 9:09 p.m. by rathamar1
With things like prowess, heroic, and pyromancer ascension why is Nivmagus Elemental not good?
Thats not good enough, I mean so much value can be gotten from just casting an underwhelming spell that could be good early and because of prowess, heroic, rebound, flashback, Young Pyromancer and Pyromancer Ascension can be game breaking late game. He fits into anything that can even threaten to use him, he is a pump potentially at instant speed.
Just saying rebound is good imo because of getting to CAST it twice! May be the abstract way I play the game.
April 16, 2015 9:15 p.m.
Hmmm.... With one activation, he's outside of bolt range.
April 16, 2015 9:21 p.m.
He really is. And there are alot of protection spells that can both protect him and they have a target so he can be pumped at will
April 16, 2015 9:24 p.m.
Here check this out Kiln fiend abuse to the Magus degree
April 16, 2015 9:27 p.m.
notamardybum says... #10
i play against a deck that uses nivmingus, ive died turn 2. when you have all the cards needed, its kind of stupid good, and when you dont draw well its terriblre
April 16, 2015 11:33 p.m.
coz it dies to removal.
it takes a bit of effort to set Nivamagus Elemental up for the kill. i did it a few times with my Assault Strobe deck (now Temur Battle Rage deck) but I found it too stressful and went for the Kiln Fiend / Monastery Swiftspear / Young Pyromancer route.
April 17, 2015 1:09 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #14
He's pretty damn good in legacy with Flusterstorm. But this isn't about legacy.
You can play him in a crappy storm deck, or with Kiln Fiend.
April 17, 2015 3:07 a.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #15
It doesnt work with rebound b/c the spell goes to recast exile as it resolves.
April 17, 2015 7:41 p.m.
You never let it resolve on the rebound. Exiled by magus before it resolves
April 17, 2015 8:44 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #17
im saying that you dont get to eat with nivmagus twice on a rebound spell
April 17, 2015 10:56 p.m.
No you dont but you get the spell the first time then exile it. Value. In fact thats why i love this card! Value written all over it. Every deck with a splash of red or blue has Something it can do with it weather or not its playable
April 17, 2015 11:20 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #19
the problem with the card is it dies to literally every removal spell in the format and it doesnt have infect. ex. Lightning Bolt, Abrupt Decay, Path to Exile, Lightning Helix. It also takes more work to make it win in combat against goyf, taz, or siege rhino than it takes to make any of those creatures.
April 18, 2015 5:23 p.m.
Ok so your logic is flawwed, goyf dies to it all and can only +1+1 on instant speed twice. Whereas one activation on novmagus takes him oUt of bolt and helix range.
Sry but you lost me at dies to everything..... so does everything else including goyf. Mizzium skin ftr is perfect tech to go with magus.
He will find his home cause comeon how many creatures t2 can win?
April 18, 2015 7 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #21
Glistener Elf. my logic is not flawed b/c the crucial difference between goyf and elemental is that goyf hits the board and is a 3/4-4/5. nivmagus elemental has the crucial error that your opponent can respond to it growing. also you need to put multiple cards into making it as large as a goyf. also goyf doesnt die to bolt or helix b/c you never play him when he has 3 toughness. also siege rhino and taz only die to path.
April 18, 2015 11:29 p.m.
Yes taz and rhino only die to path, cant really compare a 6 drop and a 4 drop like rhino to nivmagus. But goyf is a bit better to compare. Now goyf's power not in question I say yes he is rarely dropped early enough to get bolted or helix'd but the crucial error you mention begs me to remind you that go ahead helix after i chose to exile the spell..... ill do it agian and agian until you just let it resolve. Now as for needing extra cards to fuel it, I started this whole thing off with a list of other value cards that either let you exile and still get something or lets you put another of that spell on the stack now or later time to exile. Then i added to that list.
Nivmagus is no more vulnerable than anything else and has a no cost or tap activated ability that screams value! Coupled with the plethora of ways to utilize him. He is good and will find a home!
One more thing in response to all of those creatures used in reference, how many creatures can win t2?
April 19, 2015 12:06 a.m.
notamardybum says... #23
yeah the elemental can easily be pumped out of bolt range...
April 19, 2015 12:12 a.m.
i have to agree with rathamar. so long as you have enough mana to cast ANY spell after you put him down, you can protect him from bolt/helix. true he still dies to abrupt decay, but so does gofy. thats why abrupt is a pretty good card. and everything kind of dies to path. thats why people play path. although i do agree it kind of sucks that you have to give up a card for the power to pump him, but thats the reason why you would pair it with heroic and prowess, so that you dont loose that value. it turns all of your one mana spells into "put 2 counters on niv, as well as activate one heroic guy" which would still bumb the prowess count up 1.
April 19, 2015 12:20 a.m.
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April 19, 2015 2:23 a.m.
Khaosknight says... #26
Modern needs better sideboard cards. Cards like Kor Firewalker that aren't mb material for most decks, but any deck would be glad to play against appropriate decks. Generally just cards that lower the power of the meta, allowing lower power decks to compete better
ShamaLamaDingDong says... #2
LiveForChaos: Yeah, but you still cast it. Nivmagus Elemental exiles the spell after it was cast, while it is still on the stack. So prowess would still trigger.
April 16, 2015 9:14 p.m.