How is living end positioned in the current legacy meta?
Modern forum
Posted on March 29, 2015, 7:12 p.m. by tyforthevenom
And do any of the exploit creatures benefit the deck?
GlistenerAgent says... #4
Exploit doesn't help. All of them cost way too much.
As for positioning, it will never be particularly good. I'm told it's reasonable against Abzan, and creature decks are always good matchups, so I guess it's fine.
March 29, 2015 7:19 p.m.
I would say no. None of them cycle, part of what makes the deck's creatures relevant.
March 29, 2015 7:19 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #7
The aim of Living End is to cycle creatures for cheap early on, so you can Cascade into a Living End and have lots of fatties. Exploit means spending mana to cast creatures. Not happening.
Though, you could always chuck in some Tasigur, the Golden Fang for cheap Tas action.
March 29, 2015 7:20 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #9
I thought that Living End lists ran evoke and Echo cards for utility in this deck exploit is effectively evoke
March 29, 2015 7:22 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #10
So, do you mean Standard or Modern? You may or may not have messed up again.
For evoke cards, Living End really only plays Shriekmaw and sideboarded Ingot Chewers or Wispmares. Exploit is like evoke, but the creatures it's on cost a LOT more than normal.
March 29, 2015 7:24 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #11
Also, as Living End you don't want to play blue because you're already 4 colors (most lists play white in addition to the Jund base, I think). Therefore, Qarsi Sadist is really the only card that has a reasonable cost. It fits poorly on a curve of high-volume cycling, and doesn't do much anyway.
March 29, 2015 7:27 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #14
Living End is decently positioned right now in the Modern meta since there is very little graveyard hate being used in sideboards. As long as you are running Blood Moons in the mainboard, you can often win against many other decks like Abzan and Bloom Titan
March 29, 2015 8:10 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #15
Except Living End can't play Blood Moon in the maindeck. It's 3-4 colors, and needs its fastlands/fetch-shocks.
March 29, 2015 8:11 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #16
It's three colors actually, it plays 
normally. And if you are running some fetches, you only need a single Swamp and Forest to play any card in your deck. So your manabase is 5 fastlands, 6 fetches, 4 shocks, 2 Swamps, and 2 Forests.
It works surprisingly well, although you weaken yourself against Burn a little.
March 29, 2015 8:23 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #17
Living End also has insta wins post sideboard against Affinity, Storm, Dredge, and other graveyard based decks.
March 29, 2015 8:26 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #18
lemmingllama Running 6 fastlands is a pretty good idea.
March 29, 2015 8:26 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #19
That's why you cycle for basics and run 4 Magus of the Moon as well. It's actually really easy to do and really effective against a lot of decks.
March 29, 2015 10:25 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #20
I'm personally not a huge fan of Blood Moons and also Magus of the Moons. You can only really play them after a Living End, so it can mess up either the effect or your wincon.
fluffybunnypants says... #2
So... you meant Modern.... right?
March 29, 2015 7:14 p.m.