Did anyone see grand prix Kobe's top 8?
Modern forum
Posted on Aug. 30, 2014, 4:24 p.m. by Rman92011
2 Burn lists, no Birthing pod lists, and 1 new list called Tarmo Affinity. Is anyone else really interested in this new shift?
Not a new shift, this is what Japanese top 8s are like, weird stuff and stupid brews lol
August 30, 2014 4:30 p.m.
This event was 4 days after the jump in Goblin Guide 's price. So I doubt it. The event
August 30, 2014 4:33 p.m.
Bigbadbear88 says... #6
Well, Japanese magic players tend to love home brews. Goblin Guide spiked in price because of a general rise of burn, not because of GP Kobe. As a Modern staple with only 1 mass printing he was pretty underpriced, now he's in the same range as the other Modern-defining creatures (think Snapcaster)
August 30, 2014 4:34 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #7
Watch goyf get the ban hammer in modern. You don't just stuff a card into any deck and not have it banned.
August 30, 2014 4:57 p.m.
That's kind of what I was thinking [vampirearmy] but it's hard to imagine a modern without Tarmogoyf . Especially considering they're upwards of 200 a piece now. But I'm sure this debate has happened before.
August 30, 2014 5 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #10
When every deck out there splashes just to play it, there is. Almost every combo deck is doing it, apparently this random affinity deck is doing it. How many decks will it take before enough is enough? Personally, idgaf if they ban it. It's just another dude to fly over or pte for me but seriously it's getting old.
August 30, 2014 5:03 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #11
If Tarmogoyf gets the ban hammer, there will be riots.
August 30, 2014 5:05 p.m.
Can...Can they even ban something they printed in MM...?
August 30, 2014 5:11 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #13
They can.and would if it degernerates the game. Luckily it only boarderline defenerates the game since its just a vanilla creature with a fat ass that is way undercosted
August 30, 2014 5:14 p.m.
I can't really imagine the sort of aggression people would have if they banned one of the most expensive cards you can get from MM. Goyf was one of the biggest reasons for even buying packs of those in the first place. Now, obviously yes, they can ban him....but idk if the grief would be worth it.
That said, Goyf is pretty absurdly powerful in Modern.
August 30, 2014 5:18 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #15
I just wish they would reprint in standard so it can fall already. XC
August 30, 2014 5:18 p.m.
Tarmogoyf in standard....that actually doesn't sound too bad from a metagame perspective.
August 30, 2014 5:20 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #17
Honestly i think the price wouldn't dip toooo much as nearly every legacy deck that can play it will. That being said there's no reason for a card to be that expensive in the first place. I get why. I doand before someone says it, no I'm not salty because i can't afford one because i do just fine without it
August 30, 2014 5:21 p.m.
There are at least 10 cards that would be banned before Tarmogoyf is banned. It does not hurt modern at all and isn't oppressive on the format. It's one of the only things that keeps the creature decks viable in modern other than a couple of them.
August 30, 2014 5:23 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #19
Tell me why almost all combo decks have to use it then. Twin, scapeshift, even seen it in storm. Kiki pod runs it occasionally. Melira is already bassically.No longer a combo deck anyways. The card itself isn't oppressive but how people use it is.
August 30, 2014 5:27 p.m.
Twin doesn't have to use it. Some lists play tarmogoyf. It's terrible in scapeshift and sees 0 play. It's terrible in Kiki pod and sees 0 play. It's one of the worst cards imaginable in storm. It only really sees playing in the BG decks, Tarmo twin and zoo and zoo isn't even very good.
August 30, 2014 5:35 p.m.
SkyRaider42 says... #21
Melira pod hasn't been a combo deck for a while. It does not run Tarmogoyf. Twin occasionally runs Tarmogoyf. Scapeshift doesn't run Tarmogoyf. Storm running Tarmogoyf is extremely false and is almost funny. Tarmogoyf also folds to most graveyard hate. I am tired of people who can't afford Tarmogoyf or don't like it want it banned. There is nothing wrong with modern, and nothing is opressive
August 30, 2014 5:35 p.m.
lol vampirearmy I'm honestly not convinced you've even played modern with the info you're spewing.
August 30, 2014 5:37 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #23
At this point scape, twin, and pod will use it just because of what it is. If argue that twin HAS to use at this point because it's the back up plan they want. It's all whatever. The goyf is a pet card of wizards (and clearly a lot of other players) so you're correct in assuming it's going no where. I'm merely pointing out a trend. A lot of decks are running it that shouldn't.
August 30, 2014 5:39 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #24
Also your condescending attitude is doing you no favors. You don't know anything about me or what formats I've played. Though if you took the time to view my profile you might. I don't care either way bud. We will just agree to disagree.
August 30, 2014 5:41 p.m.
The decks that are running it that shouldn't are the decks that you made up and claimed play it when they don't...
August 30, 2014 5:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #28
@Spootyone: They banned Stoneforge Mystic in Standard after printing it in an event deck. But either way, the health of the format has to come first.
That said, it doesn't seem to me that Tarmogoyf is a severe problem in Modern. The two most popular arguments against it cite its heavy usage and high cost, but those reasons alone are not enough to justify banning what is essentially an otherwise-vanilla scaling beater.
I don't think they'd ever print Tarmogoyf in Standard because of concern over the barrier to entry. We might see a drop in price from $200 to $100 or maybe even $50, but that would still create an enormous amount of discontent among players who want the most popular and supported format to be affordable enough for players looking to get into competitive Magic.
August 30, 2014 5:47 p.m.
You know, a third argument can be made that Tarmogoyf is strong during pretty much any stage in the game. He's not a dead draw too often.
Those three arguments are the reason that Deathrite Shaman was banned, so honestly I don't really see much of a difference.
August 30, 2014 6:09 p.m.
Deathrire shaman was banned because it's a powerful 1 mana planeswalker. Tarmogoyf is a good vanilla creature.
August 30, 2014 6:11 p.m.
alpinefroggy says... #31
But there is a huge difference that is being missed.
Utility
DRS is a BOP that can give reach later on and buffer life totals whilst making the opponents snapcasters and other graveyard based cards dead or much less effective and then also wipe out any chance of gy based combo or value decks from doing well because it was around. DRS everywhere too. Pod played it, bg(x) played it, burn played it, and basically any deck with ramp. all for just one mana with a respectable 1/2 body
and goyf does what? block and attack
August 30, 2014 6:16 p.m.
You realize that Wizards literally said that the biggest reasons it was banned was because it was used in most decks that were in the colors and that it was useful during any point in the game, right? I'm not actually making it up.
Can you deal with Tarmogoyf ? Sure. Is it way too powerful? Maybe not. All I'm saying is that Wizards already set the precedence for this things banning with DRS. I'm not really for one side or the other.
August 30, 2014 6:17 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #33
nemesis101 you took the words right out of my mouth.
August 30, 2014 6:46 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #34
The ways that DRS was good are not even close to comparable to the one singular way that tarmo is good. As stated, DRS is just the best planeswalker that was modern legal. It had utility in every deck that could play it. Tarmogoyf is just a creature that gives zero reach. Sure, it's popular in the format because it's arguably one of the best clocks available, but trying to argue that the reasoning behind the DRS ban could be used to ban goyf are just outrageous and uninformed.
Different cards can be good in different ways, but they're all still considered "good", and by using the word "good" as vaguely as possible, you're pretty much just pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about.
August 30, 2014 7:22 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #35
The amount of emotional.people on this thread is too.damn high
August 30, 2014 7:28 p.m.
What I am saying is that Tarmogoyf fits the reasons that Wizards gave for the banning of DRS. I'm not saying or even trying to imply that Goyf is as good as DRS. I'm saying he fits the requirements of the DRS banning as set by Wizards.
So, let me try and make this clear so there are no misunderstandings. In my opinion, having played against both, and played with both, goyf is weaker than DRS. Having said that, Goyf still feels mandatory in any deck I make that has green, and makes me feel like if I'm running a deck without green that has a beat down strategy, that I have to splash green to put him in. And, unlike other really good cards but similar to DRS, I don't really have to do anything to make him good. He fits in almost any deck and just gets good as the game goes on, no set up necessary.
August 30, 2014 7:39 p.m.
The only solution is to give Tarmogoyf the functional reprint treatment. And make it uncommon!
I want to build my tarmo-infect already!
August 30, 2014 8:16 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #39
Krayhaft Why stop there? Lets make Tarmo RDW, Tarmo Merfolk, Tarmo Tokens, TarmoTron, Tarmo UWX Control, and Tarmo Hatebear. XD
August 30, 2014 8:24 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #41
You mean Lhurgoyf ? No.
Functional reprint means it has the same ability, this is close.
But functional reprint also means the same mana cost.
A good example is Llanowar Elves and Elvish Mystic
August 30, 2014 8:41 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #43
Damn those spelling. Also, i see. Well then sure but we don't need decks packing 8 do we? ;)
August 30, 2014 8:44 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #44
In my opinion, the only way Tarmogoyf will become banned would be if it continues this trend of being added to random decks until the point that every deck becomes immersed with Tarmo, or most that is. So Affinity, Reanimation, RDW, Hatebears, Dredgevine, Pod, Twin, Living End, Gift Control, and etc.. obviously these are more realistic splashes than Storm but if it were to become consistent enough then and probably only then it'd receive the ban hammer. It'd be like throwing Cryptic Command or any utility like card in every deck imaginable and top 8ing with it. Then modern would become a very stale place. Gladly we haven't hit that bottom yet. By no means am I siding with one or the other. Tarmogoyf was a bulk rare when it was first released and has come along way, I personally don't care for him but think he is a good beater but is price tag is way over hyped, that being said is just my personal opinion of him having been around before, present, and after his release.
August 30, 2014 9:03 p.m.
Goyf in every deck is pretty useless, actually.
"I'll attack with my Goyf"
"Okay, I'll block with my Goyf"
"I'll bolt your Goyf"
"Remand"
August 30, 2014 10:24 p.m.
I think we should start replacing most of the words in MTG with "goyf". More people would have fun if that were the case. And having to learn new keywords or colloquial terminology would be a piece of cake. You want 'Metamorphosis'?
"I'll Goyf with my Goyf"
"okay, I'll Goyf with my Goyf"
"I'll Goyf your Goyf"
"Goyf"
August 30, 2014 10:41 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #47
Lolol that goyfing made my night. Thank you for that Spootyone.
August 30, 2014 11:10 p.m.
WovenNebula: I'll do whatever it takes to finally make it onto lord fluffybunnypants's wall of quotes! Even if it means giving all future magic judges an aneurysm!
August 30, 2014 11:22 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #49
Just to point it out, proper Gifts runs Goyfs and there's an Affinity build out there running Goyfs. I've also seen Hatebears run Goyf as well.
Spootyone: you got there, amigo, you got there.
August 30, 2014 11:41 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #50
I should've definitely read the original post.
The cmc of Goyf is so low that it is insanely splashable. I actually wouldn't be surprised if it hits the ban list at somepoint when everyone realizes that, unless you're playing dedicated combo, you probably have room for a few Goyfs in your deck.
Blizzicane says... #2
It seems lately that Tarmogoyf is being stuffed in everything because he is that good. XP
August 30, 2014 4:27 p.m.