Delver vs Burn vs RDW
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Posted on Jan. 28, 2015, 9:35 p.m. by JRaynor
I've been playing around with home brew decks based out if red burn. Can someone please discuss the conceptual differences in strategy that go into the decks Burn, Delver, and a simple RDW. I'm trying to understand why Young Pyromancer isn't included in burn builds and why Delver of Secrets Flip is not in burn decks that run blue.
InnerFlame says... #3
fluffybunnypants hit it right on the nose. If it isn't dealing damage the turn it's drawn, burn doesn't care for it. Burn wants to win between turn 4-6...and in a perfect world turn 3. Which that kind of pressure, creatures with haste, creatures like Eidolon of the Great Revel that burn , or other burn, are too worthwhile to cut for a creature that cost 2 mana and might not even do any damage.
Delver just took a big hit with the banning of Treasure Cruise, as many did. But essentially it's draw, scry, drawm more, get some mana, burn, scry and draw, get 10 tokens on turn 5, attack with 10 tokens.
January 28, 2015 10:34 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #4
I am pretty sure that RDW and Burn are the same if not very similar except burn may splash White or Black whereas RDW tends to be mono red
January 29, 2015 1:25 a.m.
Okay so the reason for the cantrips in Delver is to simply give yourself as many spells to create tokens as possible. Does that make Young Pyromancer your main Win con?
I think I understand Burn at its heart but I don't get Delver completely. Does anyone have a link to a good solid primer for Delver?
Again, I'm working on a lot of homebrew variants. I have tried Mardu and am toying with Jeskai. I enjoy burn to some extent but I think what I want to do is a little more multicolor and creature/not burning your face intensive.
As far as Burn vs RDW, they are not the same thing. Burn can be considered a RDW but RDW is not always Burn oriented.
Thanks for the help so far!
fluffybunnypants says... #2
If it doesn't hit you in the face right the hell now, Burn doesn't want it. Every spell in a burn deck needs to be ammunition on the turn it's drawn or it's not burn. Hence, they would run Treasure Cruise purely to reload on burn spells because there was a very high chance that every card drawn this way was basically pure ammo, this allowed them to outgun control and tempo decks with alarming frequency.
Delver is tempo/aggro, hence the larger blue splash and use of cantrips, which made Young Peezy very playable.
January 28, 2015 9:50 p.m.