Could miracles top 8 in today's current meta?
Modern forum
Posted on March 18, 2017, 7:41 p.m. by Guinessthemenace
I think its an interesting idea but what do yall think?
In Legacy, sure where you have access to a 1 mana boardwipe that doesn't allow recursion or whatever. And top of deck fixing. And you can set up a lock, and your board wipe counters the most common counter spell.
In modern, you have no way to set it up, basically, and every other deck is being fast and uninteractive.
March 18, 2017 8:03 p.m.
Guinessthemenace says... #4
I know that in legacy it does but what I am referring to is modern. Is Sensei's Divining Top the only thing keeping this archetype out of modern? Counterbalance is modern legal and so is Terminus. People can cast Telling Time , Anticipate etc. to search around for your threats right?
March 18, 2017 8:32 p.m.
Might not be as reliable since your be spending a majority of your mana fixing the top cards vs just 1 from the diving top
March 18, 2017 9:40 p.m.
Also, Anticipate does nothing for setting off miracle, it places the card in your hand, it doesnt make you draw it
March 18, 2017 10:12 p.m.
amazingdan says... #7
I've toyed with the idea, more specifically with scry lands and utility cards that let you scry such as Magma Jet and ofc Serum Visions, but I haven't been able to get it consistent enough. Would love to see somebody else's iteration of it though!
March 18, 2017 10:18 p.m.
TheDuggernaught says... #8
I have also toyed with the idea -- using Grim Flayer and Noxious Revival to set up draws in addition to the go to scry effects. But it wound up just being super clunky and felt like it required too many hoops to jump through to reliably feel good.
March 19, 2017 12:13 a.m.
lithium142 says... #9
more than just sensei's top. Brainstorm is HUGE is making this deck viable in legacy. inevitably, you will take hands with miracle cards already in it. whats the easiest way to cast them? brainstorm them to the top of the deck. in modern, this is a massive disadvantage, because you will be starting the game with dead cards in your hand, and it will be more difficult to draw into miracle cards later.
March 19, 2017 7:18 a.m.
SoggyGecko says... #10
To be honest, somebody could at least win a few games with the deck, but again, there is very little ways to have it work in Modern. If they ever unban Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Preordain, I would see a case for maybe, but lack of Top/Brainstorm hurts. However, having some miracles cards in a deck (probably just a one of) isn't so bad. But having 4 Terminus isn't gonna be good.
March 19, 2017 12:45 p.m.
lithium142 says... #11
I'll just come out and say i tried to make this happen a year or two ago. Terminus ends up being very lackluster. The allstar card for this deck in modern is Temporal Mastery. Entreat the Angels can work as a one or two of for a win condition, but it's arguable that there are better ways to close a game in modern control.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor would be a gamechanger. the ability to put an otherwise dead miracle card from your hand, to the top of your library is what makes the deck so consistent in legacy
March 19, 2017 6:49 p.m.
Guinessthemenace says... #12
Ok good points, if Preordain and Jtms comes back to modern then what are the chances?
March 20, 2017 12:17 a.m.
Still bad, preordain doesnt move cards from tour hand to your library.
March 20, 2017 12:27 a.m.
TheDuggernaught says... #14
See Beyond is okay... but still pretty bad. Dat sorcery speed.
March 20, 2017 12:43 a.m.
SoggyGecko says... #15
Yeah, still bad, but slightly more passable. Repeatable Brainstorm would be awesome, but then again, you could be doing better things. Although a UW control deck with Jace, the Mind Sculptor and a few Miracles cards wouldn't be the worst. Maybe a Terminus or two as extra Wrath of God/Supreme Verdict, that's way cheaper. But this is one, hypothetical, and two, probably not gonna happen (that's a whole other topic though).
March 20, 2017 12:48 a.m.
lithium142 says... #16
not putting it on top isnt great either.
I think that topic is worth exploring =P I think we've all pretty much agreed here, but I still dont want to jack your thread with a different topic.
If you would like to discuss the possibility of Jace entering modern, I published an article, and opened a new thread for it here:
Jace, the Mind Sculptor. Is an unban more realistic than we think?
March 20, 2017 9:44 p.m.
Guinessthemenace says... #17
Does anyone have a U/W control list up for modern?
March 21, 2017 12:18 a.m.
Counterbalance is a lot worse, when mana costs are more spread out, and modern also has some serious problems at controlling the top card of the library in lieu of Sensei's Divining Top.
March 26, 2017 6:12 p.m.
amazingdan says... #19
There is Lantern of Insight. Do you guys think a lantern control deck with the Miracles package could do well? They do have a lot of topdeck manipulation. I think a cool hybrid with Counterbalance and such could be fun and fairly viable. I'll try to work on a decklist, but I'd love to see some other people's ideas as well(not necessarily this, just Miracles in Modern in general).
March 26, 2017 8:17 p.m.
The mistake is trying to treat the modern miracles like legacy miracles. Counterbalance is strictly worse due to the lack of Brainstorm and Sensei's Divining Top and as such I believe it deserves the ultimate cut for more mainstream counters (or whatever replacement seems fit). The modern version will have to be its own, and the toying for that will take time. However, that said, I am quite enjoying the idea of Prairie Stream over Hallowed Fountain as the deck is so basic heavy anyway. I hope the other non shock versions like this come out soon to supplement the list
seuvius says... #2
It still is....consistently
March 18, 2017 7:57 p.m.