Eldrazi tron vs control
Modern Deck Help forum
Posted on Oct. 4, 2018, 5:49 p.m. by SMASHER101
I’m playing a semi budget eldrazi tron, basically the stock chaliceless list, except I don’t have Matter Reshaper All Is Dust or walking balista. My lgs is FILLED with various flavors of blue based control decks from jeskai to delver to UW to thing in the ice brews. First, how can I improve the matchup against these decks, and second, which of the cards I listed should I get first? PS I can’t afford Cavern of Souls otherwise I would play 4 and not post here.
Bulldawg1310 says... #5
SMASHER101 how about a decklist of what you currently have? You are missing 3 really important pieces for the budget build and like 6 necessities to be successful against any kind of control. I went to your profile and couldnt find an eldrazi build, so help us, help you. Post what ya got so far
October 4, 2018 6:56 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #6
I’m using the build on mtg goldfish with the changes I said:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-eldrazi-tron-46492#paper
I cut the dismembers because they are fairly bad in my meta. Like I said I will be willing to buy the non $50+ cards (chalice and cavern), which of the other cards should I get first, and what are some more budget control hate cards?
October 4, 2018 8:18 p.m.
UW control player here. Matchup is easy for me. Nothing you can do can make it all that great if I'm honest. Chalice on 1 may seem ok, but you're tossing away a card to blanket my Serum Visions and Path. It's verdicts and Terminuses (Termini?) that get you pretty far behind. That's the number 1 biggest mistake I see E-Tron players do against control. They overvalue chalice like crazy.
If I stabilize with a walker, the game is over. Sea Gate Wreckage, Karn, Scion of Urza, and generally making your deck as threat dense as you can is a pretty decent approach to the matchup.
Relic of Progenitus can be good depending on the flavor you're fighting against. Warping Wail helps if you're up against 4xTerminus decks. Sorcerous Spyglass is actually a pretty good card here. You can use it to blanket walkers and Azcanta, but the main use is knowing how to sequence your threats to maximize their value. Tossing one copy of Buried Ruin in the main helps. Finally, manlands are good.
That's about it. Count their number of Field of Ruin when playing.
October 4, 2018 8:19 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #8
I will add that I think walking ballista is fun to play with (I borrowed some once).
October 4, 2018 8:21 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #9
Arvail verdict is much more popular that terminus, and I agree with a lot of the things you have to say, I find that cryptic and walkers are a huge pain in the butt. I think that spyglass is a good idea and I will try it. I won FNM the week I wasn’t paired against control. (During RIX, before unbans and jace). I am worried about assasins trophy a bit, but I would rather play against 4 trophy decks than UW anyway because unlike tron I can eisily destroy them without tron on 3 and temple I think will help a lot.
October 4, 2018 8:28 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #10
Also I find that even if I play turn 2 thought knot and another one soon, they have sooo many cards that wipe my board
October 4, 2018 8:34 p.m.
generalrenard says... #11
So with that information, I would go for the more hand disruption route with Sorcerous Spyglass and you can shut off walkers with a timely Pithing Needle or Phyrexian Revoker.
October 4, 2018 9:07 p.m.
SMASHER101 says... #12
generalrenard the hand disruption sounds like a good way to shut off half my problems: the annoying walkers, but is there a good way to get around board wipes? Ulumog basicly never resolves but it does always exile some stuff and ends up being 2 uncounterable Utter Ends 95% of the time, between path and counterspells I can never attack with it, so that doesnt seem to be a reasonable wa to get around wipes, what is?
October 5, 2018 10:19 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #13
I do run 2 maindeck Warping Wail, but these are mostly 4 verdict decks, with a few settle the wreckage and wrath of god, I havn't played against the miracle version yet. I may go up on wail in the sideboard and in the main deck until I get All Is Dust, but I really need a way to beat Supreme Verdict. Who thought a board wipe needed to be uncounterable??? Why did anyone think this a good idea???
October 5, 2018 10:23 a.m.
No way to get around it without adding colors. Sorry. Not sorry.
October 5, 2018 11:23 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #15
Arvail would adding green help? I tried green but it stretched the manabase a lot.
October 5, 2018 11:43 a.m.
The thing with Modern is that you're always going to have tough matchups. You can't really do much about them. You can make things easier with siding options, but you can't cover everything. At some point, twisting and turning your deck to fight control is going to make it much worse versus the rest of the field. The opportunity cost is too high.
October 5, 2018 11:45 a.m.
SMASHER101 says... #17
Arvail I played fnm last week, first against elves, then jeskai, then UW, then delver, then jeskai again. The week before that, I played against jeskai twice, UW once, amulet bloom, and scapeshift. Every week I play against control more than half my matches. Is there any way to get around verdict, or should I just try to go under verdict and or ignor it.
October 5, 2018 12:24 p.m.
There exists no feasible way for you to not have to worry about Verdict. If you get info about their hand via spyglass, you can better play around the spell. That's about it.
October 5, 2018 12:52 p.m.
DragonKing90 says... #19
Arvail: he could play Heroic Intervention. E-tron should have green regardless.
shadow63 says... #2
What colors are you in and chalice is almost a must if your playing against control
October 4, 2018 5:55 p.m.