Bloodwater Entity vs Nimble Obstructionist in modern
Modern Deck Help forum
Posted on Jan. 17, 2018, 2:26 p.m. by SeekerofSecrets
I've been playing a budget delver variant (Delving for umm someTHING). I have been running both Thing in the Ice Flip and Young Pyromancer in same deck just and it just hasn't been working for me.
I feel like thing better fits my shell so i want to replace young pyro. My initial thought was to find something with a good ETB affect so it can gain value with Thing in the Ice Flip. Of course Snapcaster Mage is the obvious choice, but I just cant afford him,
My next thought was either Bloodwater Entity or Nimble Obstructionist.
entity provides a snap like affect, and as a 2/2 prowes flyer could be a clock.
Nimble Obstructionist on the other hand gives us an additional control affect and another good clock.
I would run either one as a 3 of and up delver back to 4!
Also any advice on my list would be appreciated, i feel like its pretty solid with my budget restraints but it can always be improved
SeekerofSecrets says... #4
Boza i tottaly forgot serpent thanks! Originally i wrote him off b/c of the double blue when i first built delver tempo now itll fit nicely.
For now i think im gonna try a 2/1 split with serpent and obstructionist. I play tested with obstructionist last night, and i liked the clock but i dont think its as good as a big beater. I'll play it like a click
January 18, 2018 9:05 a.m.
Yeah Cryptic Serpent seems sweet. I'm surprised that you're not playing Monastery Swiftspear though? Is this just not good in Delver anymore?
Otherwise, I think I'd rather have Squelch over Bloodwater Entity or Nimble Obstructionist. Nimble Obstructionist, but it's not as good if you're on the play. You go land -> cantrip/Delver of Secrets
Flip, your opponent plays a fetch and passes, you play a land on your turn. At the end of your turn, they try to fetch and you Squelch. Now they're down to 0 lands, your Delver of Secrets
Flip has possibly flipped, and things are looking really bad for the opponent.
Nimble Obstructionist can't cycle until turn 3, and that's a lot of mana for a tempo deck on 20 lands. Your 3-drop slots are better taken up by equipment and Electrolyze.
January 18, 2018 9:06 p.m.
SeekerofSecrets says... #7
sylvannos so Monastery Swiftspear was in my original list but with the amount of counters that i play i just don't get the same value out of prowes it in this shell. We play a game more similar to U snapdelverthing than a traditional delver list.
Thanks for showing me Squelch! It's a solid card but at the moment i think i prefer Nimble Obstructionist simply because during my opponents turn we can flash him in and really not hold us back. I also largely play against budget lists so i don't see allot of fetches.But when i actually go to an FNM I'll make a side board and ill have to add Squelch. But i could also see myself switching them out, I'll just have to see how additional testing goes.
Also surprisingly I've never had a problem hitting 4-5 mana. I think this is because of the lack of fetches so we naturally have more mana to hit, but we also have a much stronger draw package than the original delver (in my opinion). Between Serum Visions, Opt, Chart a Course and Bedlam Reveler we can dig VERY deep to find what we need.
January 18, 2018 10:05 p.m.
@MrJohny: That makes sense about Monastery Swiftspear.
Squelch is one of my favorite super secret tech cards. Some matches, it won't have very much impact. Other games, you'll feel like you want 4 copies lol.
Yeah, that also helps, too, to have a higher land count of 20. A lot of Delver decks hover around 18, so 3 mana ends up being a lot.
January 19, 2018 7:03 p.m.
SeekerofSecrets says... #9
sylvannos i almost want to throw a single copy in! Where do you stand on the argument of thing vs young peezy? There are some guys on the deck's page making a compelling argument and i'm back on the fence
January 19, 2018 7:27 p.m.
Personally? I like both over Delver of Secrets
Flip in Modern lol.
However, I don't own a set of Thing in the Ice Flip, so I couldn't say. Having 4 toughness is definitely a big deal when facing down a format with Tarmogoyf and Lightning Bolt. The ability to go wide instead of tall with Young Pyromancer means you don't get blown the fuck out by a single Path to Exile or Fatal Push. Even if they kill your man, you still got 1/1 elemental tokens they have to deal with.
I lean more towards Young Pyromancer, but the card isn't as good as it was when we had Gitaxian Probe.
January 20, 2018 3:51 a.m.
SeekerofSecrets says... #11
sylvannos so the ideal turn to play either on is turn 2, but if we do then we can't protect it at all. I just feel like young peezy is just going to get bolted and then we'll get 0 value out of it, and if it doesn't it still can't block.
But say we play it turn 3/4 we still have to hold counter spells which is fine but it's chance of living is much much lower then things
And in the scenario where we can cast 4 and flip thing/make 4 tokens, i think I'd rather have a free 7 damage and bounce there board then just 4 tokens. Now of course if it goes longer then that young peezy will make up some ground but to me with thing we'll just already be there
I think I'm sticking with thing, and young peezy can sit in the side b/c in some matchup he's deffenitly better
January 20, 2018 8:53 a.m.
@MrJohny: That's probably the right choice. Young Pyromancer took a huge hit when Gitaxian Probe got banned.
Have you tried playing both in place of something else?
January 20, 2018 8:58 a.m.
SeekerofSecrets says... #13
sylvannos yea i played him over obstructionist one delver and serpent. And it honestly wasn't bad, but when thing flipped with him and 3 other tokens it just felt like a huge setback. I would of just rather had something i could replay for instant value that next turn.
Im not gonna lie though id did break my heart when i pulled him
Boza says... #3
Or, you could go for another cheap threat - Cryptic Serpent should be quite playable on t3-4 in your deck. Entity puts the card on top and is far from a snapcaster and you are counterspell heavy, so you cannot make use of prowess. Obstructionist is nice, but expensive in both modes for Modern.
January 18, 2018 7:02 a.m.