US/MS: Stone and Blood
Lore forum
Posted on June 15, 2016, 12:20 p.m. by AgentGreen
http://magic.wizards.com/node/1029451
This week's story tells the other side of the story that started with Promises of Old and New; where we got Sorin's point of view. This time we got Nahri's, and her reasoning as to why she's going after Sorin.
Ugh...I can't believe I'm admitting this but Nahiri's within her right to be angry here. Sorin's a dick. He deserves what he's getting.
Oh, and the fact that... Show
June 15, 2016 12:42 p.m.
Ugh... I was hoping that there would be some indication of Nahiri turning red that isn't also in the color pie of white. How disappointing. The closest thing I can see is her own stupidity, but that's also firmly in the color pie of every color, perhaps even blue.
Go Sorin for not being emotional.
June 15, 2016 12:54 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #5
Really wish they had printed Sorin as mono-black now. I understand why he's technically white-aligned now, but this story really emphasizes why he's primarily black.
Also I like how the story Sorin told Olivia has its small discrepancies compared to this one.
Phaetion: Just because Sorin deserves retribution doesn't mean the entirety of Innistrad does too. So I guess both Sorin and Nahiri are in the wrong.
June 15, 2016 1:12 p.m. Edited.
GoldGhost012: My point exactly. Both Sorin and Nahiri are in the wrong here. Sorin for being the jerk he was, and Nahiri endangering everyone on the plane.
That said, Nahiri had a better argument than Sorin. I just wish she didn't, well, explode with anger.
June 15, 2016 1:26 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #7
Her extreme reaction and violence negates any point she may have or had. She's basically a terrorist now.
June 15, 2016 1:38 p.m. Edited.
hydraoverlord2112 says... #8
After reading, I still find myself only sympathizing with post-Helvault Nahiri as opposed to pre-Helvault. After withstanding that kind of imprisonment only to find her home falling apart, I can hardly blame her for being crazy. I still think she overreacted when talking with Sorin though. She seemed to be driven by her own pride as much as her love for Zendikar, and Sorin clearly said that he did not intend to block the message. If their positions were swapped, Nahiri would have done the same thing to protect her own world.
June 15, 2016 2:32 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #9
Nahiri thinks Zendikar is totally screwed; beyond saving. She doesn't know what happened with the Gatewatch, and how they saved the plane. She's jumping the gun; her belief that Zendikar is lost at this time.
But both Nahiri and Sorin are at fault; Sorin for being a dick, Nahiri for overreacting and assuming Zendikar is lost
June 15, 2016 3:13 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #10
I hope jace see's nahiri raging about zendikar being gone and is like "woah friend, we killed Ulamog and Kozilek, probably would have been able to do it with a lot less death if you had stuck around though" to give her a healthy dose of guilt to see how thoroughly she's been overreacting.
June 15, 2016 3:20 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #11
It was very nice to have this story be told from Nahiri's perspective, as it makes Nahiri seem much more sympathetic and Sorin really look cold an uncaring. Sorin's actions in this story certainly do not justify Nahiri wishing to destroy his entire plane, but they do make her actions easier to understand.
It was very interesting to know that Nahiri was imprisoned in the Helvault long before any of the demons or Avacyn herself; I wonder how far in advance the story writers planned that twist? Nahiri clearly returned to Zendikar after Jace and Chandra unwittingly freed the eldrazi but before they defeated them, so I will be very interested to know how she shall react when she learns that two of the eldrazi titans have been defeated.
I noticed that there was a line about Nahiri encountering a mad planeswalker: will that encounter ever be explained in detail, or was it merely a throwaway line? That could be foreshadowing for a future plot line, and I hope that WotC does not forget about it.
Again, there was the image of Sorin, Ugin, and Nahiri standing watch over the imprisoned eldrazi; will that artwork ever be used for a card? And the artwork of Sorin imprisoning Nahiri in the Helvault was very awesome, so I hope that it is used for a card in Eldritch Moon.
This story was a most excellent one, and I am very excited for the next set in this block, and I am expecting the story to be amazing!
June 15, 2016 3:32 p.m.
Homura_Akemi says... #12
Nahiri is definitely entitled to her feelings, although destroying Innistrad probably isn't the best way to vent them or solve her issues. My prediction: Nahiri and Sorin are in an epic sword fight and just as Nahiri is about to land the killing blow, Liliana and/ or Arlinn will kill her.
June 15, 2016 4:04 p.m.
Homura_Akemi says... #13
@DemonDragonJ the mad planeswalker is probably Ob Nixilis
June 15, 2016 4:05 p.m.
I hate the fact that Nahiri's character makes no sense. I mean, sure. Be annoyed at Sorin for being uncooperative. Take revenge on him for "dooming" your plane (which, incidentally, is in the color pie of white AND red, not just red). But don't be an originally mono-white walker who was the protector of an entire plane and then walk out on it when it is at its most vulnerable without even checking to see if it really is doomed! Besides, even if it is, you can still stall for time.
Now, I understand what people might say. But red planeswalkers are impulsive and act upon instinct and stuff! And I could accept that. That is, if Koth wasn't a character.
It's because of what I call the "red-shift" in this block that I was so underwhelmed by the story. I'd even be fine if it literally shifted into the color pie of red, but more and more WotC just uses red as generic plot device while forgetting to be coherent with what red is trying to do.
/rant
June 15, 2016 6:10 p.m.
I really like the storytelling this block; Nahiri reaching her home after thousands of years of imprisonment only to find it in shambles was heartbreaking to read. I can understand both sides of the Sorin-Nahiri confrontation here, though I sympathize with Nahiri a lot more after this chapter. Say what you will about Sorin not meaning to cut off communication, he took a few steps too far. Nahiri shouldn't have lashed out at him, but chucking her in prison for thousands of years is NOT the proper response.
June 15, 2016 6:28 p.m.
First before I write the mean criticizing comments about Nahiri being a total moron whoever wrote this did an amazing job and I was happy to hear Nahiri's point of view. However now that I've heard it I kinda just want her to go fuck herself.
Sorin is only in the wrong for seeming to be a dick. Which as Nahiri pointed out he never really seemed to care about anything. She should not have blamed him at all for not responding to the call as soon as she realized. Any further actions from her afterwards are only proving that she's become red aligned and only acts like a reckless fool.
Her idea to get Sorin to help her was literally to throw a tantrum. She through an fucking tantrum to beat Sorin so he'd respect her. IN WHAT WORLD DOES TANTRUM= Respect? Second her first and only thoughts kept going to her home plane again and again. Didn't she think Sorin would have the same thoughts? And finally she couldn't possibly have a legitmate reason to be mad with Sorin because it would take three planeswalkers and Ugin's fire to unlock the Eye of Ugin and release the Eldrazi. If she should've gotten pissy with anyone after seeing the Eye was unlocked its Ugin case and point.
Also Emrakul confirmed #wheresthesetsymbol
June 15, 2016 9:39 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #17
Homura_Akemi, if Nahiri does die, she cannot die without first learning that Zendikar has been saved, as it would be too cruel for her to die beliving that Zendikar is doomed.
June 15, 2016 10:02 p.m.
Ah, a reminder of Nahiri's idiocy would be the perfect comeuppance for her stupid actions.
June 16, 2016 1:58 a.m.
The Hellvault (+ Avacyn) was supposedly created to 'lock-up' any threat to Innistrad and/or the Vampires of Innistrad and/or the Humans of Innistrad (Vampire food), which could not other wise be killed or dispatched.
Why then, if Sorin believed he could kill Nahiri with little trouble, would he imprison her in the Hellvault? - She was not a threat to Innistrad, she was only attacking Sorin, not Innistrad not the Vampire race, and not the Humans.
Two thoughts come to mind... either he is remorseful and is trying to avoid killing her, or he is scornful and wishes to torment her for eternity. - With Sorin, I feel it's probably a bit of both.
Ej1997 - Sorin does not respect anyone who cannot hold their own against him, he views them as beneath him. - The only way for Nahiri to gain Sorins respect is to best him in battle. To view this as a tantrum rather than a deliberate and calculated risk, is to miss the whole point of the story.
June 16, 2016 7:51 a.m. Edited.
I think that Sorin trapped Nahiri into the Helvault because he hadn't enough power at that moment to fight her. I mean, from his point of view, he almost couldn't walk. He even had to call Avacyn for help. I guess his only way out was the Helvault. Not a good idea to let a wild planeswalker raging around. But yeah, Sorin wasn't very diplomatic there.
June 16, 2016 9:14 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #22
I hope that Nahiri and Nissa meet, since they both have a bond with the very land of Zendikar itself, and it would be interesting to see an interaction between them.
June 16, 2016 11:49 a.m.
hydraoverlord2112 says... #23
Rayenous , I think you're slightly off about Sorin there. To me he seems to not really care whether or not someone can hold their own against. In his mind he is the freaking lord of Innistrad, at least 5 thousand years old at this point (probably older, not 100% sure of his exact age), and Nahiri's mentor. He went out of his way to help her when he could have easily killed her, and now she's verbally attacking him for what at worst can be described as sloppy security setup. Considering who he is what he has done, he thinks it is right for him to demand some respect.
June 16, 2016 12:08 p.m.
Oh yes, since learning that you that you attempted to murder your mentor, destroy a plane with millions of lives, for no reason at all, is a good last note, before dying.
And why, because you were not only lazy to try to save your plane, but even lazy enough to double check if it doomed.
(If Sorin would have followed Nahiri's logic, he should have killed his grandpa, instead of creating Avacyn - and Innnistrad would be now a baren plane void of life)
So you basically die because you were a murdering idiot, who deluded himself that anything she/he does is just because something MAY happen to those/that what is dear to him/her.
June 17, 2016 11:24 a.m.
RicketyEng says... #25
Let us assume for a moment that Nahiri is indeed summoning/attracting Emrakul to Innistrad. Consider then what might have been the fate of Zendikar if Nahiri had not attracted Emrakul's attention and caused it to leave Zendikar. Contrary to what some are saying about Nahiri failing to stay on Zendikar to help, I suggest that she has ultimately helped more than any single person by single-handedly removing one of the titans from the battle.
June 17, 2016 3:17 p.m.
RicketyEng Firstly, Emrakul hasn't actually shown up on Innistrad. This point to the fact that the summoning ritual hasn't been completed yet, if it will happen. That in of itself isn't especially relevant, but the fact that Nahiri didn't draw away Emrakul debunks your suggestion.
Secondly, the Gatewatch dealt with two titans as though they were one. So a third titan may not make much difference.
June 17, 2016 4:08 p.m.
RicketyEng Firstly, Emrakul hasn't actually shown up on Innistrad. This point to the fact that the summoning ritual hasn't been completed yet, if it will happen. That in of itself isn't especially relevant, but the fact that Nahiri didn't draw away Emrakul debunks your suggestion.
Secondly, the Gatewatch dealt with two titans as though they were one. So a third titan may not make much difference.
June 17, 2016 4:08 p.m.
Great. Nothing like the good old double post bug. Apologies for spamming the thread.
June 17, 2016 4:09 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #29
yeah emrakul has left zendikar way before bala ged was gone. so before nahiri woke up.
June 17, 2016 4:19 p.m.
I have to politely disagree. In the past he has deigned to work with people that had not bested him in battle (including Nahiri herself) but still showed them some respect. I doubt him and Ugin had ever fought and simply regarded himself as equals and he did work together with Nissa who if he had attacked her would probably not have worked with him. Sorin even taught Nahiri and seemed to respect his disciple up until she showed little to no understanding at all. Sorin is undoubtedly aloof and believes himself above others but he isn't completely heartless. He obviously respected his apprentice and didn't kill her out of guilt for what he had done. Nahiri's actions and train of thought continues to remind me of a screaming toddler running around being obsessive.
@the Emrakul suggestion: I do believe Emrakul is coming to innistrad and if that is the case Nahiri is a worse person then Sorin ever can be considered to be. She is essentially dooming anothe plane to the "fate" she saw for zendikar. Though as punishment for her actions I can see Sorin snuffing out her spark to recreate a new Avacyn or an Avacyn like planeswalker (similar to how venser gave karn a spark) with Liliana or tamiyos help.
June 17, 2016 4:27 p.m.
Homura_Akemi says... #31
RicketyEng I totes agree. Emrakul is like the most powerful Eldrazi titan. Emrakul slays like Messi compared to Ulamog and Kozilek.
June 17, 2016 6 p.m.
pizzagod13 says... #32
You can't take someone's spark they have to give it up willingly.
June 18, 2016 12:20 a.m.
pizzagod13 That still opens the possibility of somehow preventing a PW from planeswalking and torturing them until they give up their spark to you so that you kill them, right?
June 18, 2016 3:27 a.m.
pizzagod13 says... #34
i guess? But seems unrealistic that she would be captured. On a unrelated note I feel like Nahri is gonnA succeed before kicking the bucket
June 18, 2016 3:16 p.m.
pizzagod13 says... #35
On another note I don't think you can use people's sparks to make planes walkers. I think you only can use them to relight a spark such as what happened to Karn
June 18, 2016 3:18 p.m.
pizzagod13 How did Karn get his first spark then? After Urza died, but he couldn't have naturally had it. So someone (Urza) gave it to him.
Anyway, I'm still of the opinion that a Phyrexian could get a spark as a way to compleat the multiverse because of loopholes. But first, a planeswalker would have to be captured, stopped somehow from planeswalking (maybe through use of a drug or insta-kill mechanism), and tortured to the point where they'd prefer death by loss of spark to unending torture. That's a lot of ifs, but it is theoretically possible according to the info given to us by Wizards. As for how a Phyrexian planeswalker would be... I'll leave that for another time.
Oh, and I suppose I have to make it relevant to the thread. How about the notion of PhyrexiaXEldrazi shipping?
June 18, 2016 5:21 p.m.
Homura_Akemi says... #38
Hashtag Eldrexia
Succeed with harbinging Innistrad's apocalypse
June 18, 2016 5:36 p.m.
pizzagod13 says... #39
Someone loyal to the phyrexians could turn out to be a walker and then boom phyrexian walker.
And Nahri's plan is unknown at this point but she is doing something.
June 18, 2016 6:02 p.m.
pizzagod13 says... #41
Ya I think it's Emrakul too but nothing has been officially confirmed so thats why I never said what she was doing.
June 18, 2016 9:36 p.m.
The preorder info or whatever leaked some type of promo Emrakul. That's going to be revealed as the cause of the madness tomorrow.
June 19, 2016 3:34 a.m.
Homura_Akemi says... #43
Also, the set symbol has not been released yet which is very strange considering it has been for FTVL, Kaladesh, and Aether Revolt. Maybe it's Emrakul's tentacles or the Chain Veil (that would be sick). I'm looking forward to Liliana vs Emrakul. Good luck Eldrazi
June 19, 2016 6:22 a.m.
pizzagod13 says... #45
yes there was the leak but was it actually confirmed by wizards? Could just be a employee messing with fans. That being said however, it is probably true, but we won't know until tomorrow.
June 19, 2016 1:02 p.m.
It is true. Many people with connections (but not to Wizards) are certain of the truth. This isn't the kind of thing you can fake, and Wizards has clued us in in many ways that it's probably Emrakul.
June 19, 2016 2:41 p.m.
I'm not convinced that the Buy-a-Box promo is going to be a Mythic Rare, Eldrazi Titan.
"EN-LAU 2-PRE-BaB-Advanced-Emrakul-PWD"
That being said, it could easily be a Rare card which references Emrakul... not actually Emrakul the creature as a promo. (Then again, the original Emrakul was the Rize of the Eldrazi pre-release promo.)
Still trying to decipher what 'Advanced' and 'PWD' refer to.
June 20, 2016 7:53 a.m. Edited.
So, we've seen that Tamiyo is carrying a scroll of the story of the Cataclysm (the annihilation/consumption of the Plane 'Serra's Realm').
Anyone else hoping that Innistrad gets sacrificed to the Cataclysm Scroll in order to defeat Emrakul? Possibly taking out a couple Planeswalkers with it as well...
Storyline wise, it would make for a great way to end Emmy, and conclude the Nahiri/Sorin feud. - But I doubt WotC would destroy Innistrad. It is one of the players favourite Planes... and nothing drives the story more than future sales.
Panda213 says... #2
Link to the story
June 15, 2016 12:41 p.m.