Possible answer as to what the Eldrazi are
Posted on Dec. 1, 2019, 12:42 p.m. by TypicalTimmy
Apparently the Planes in MTG have a consciousness and can create avatars. They feel the pain of all living beings that inhabit them and make life for the world.
When a Plane dies, it's consciousness, it's "worldsoul" goes out to become something new. In most cases, it becomes something called an "entity", which is basically a formless energy drifting the multiverse until it... I don't know, makes a new Plane?
Well, what happens if the worldsoul becomes trapped within the blind eternities? What if the dark void warps and collapses it into a reality far flung from what it once was?
This would explain why they are devoid of mana and endlessly feed and corrupt it. This also explains why Eldrazi are so hard to kill and what they mostly never enter a world; They merely shift their presence into it.
So what if beings such as Emrakul, Ulamog and Kozilek are merely the corrupted souls of dead worlds?
These manifestations of soul may be in an attempt to rebuild themselves by gorging on Mana.
December 1, 2019 2:05 p.m.
[Arent all the lesser eldrazi made from the titans though? That could be the corrupted 'world souls' trying to recreate their original plane which could explain why all of their spawn look different from the ones the others make.
December 1, 2019 7:55 p.m.
Wait wait. Where are you getting all this from? Could I have a source??
December 1, 2019 9:09 p.m.
ZendikariWol; The YouTuber Aether Hub. He goes over lore, both common and fringe, from all years of MTG. I was watching this video in which he goes over the newest evil Planeswalker; Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage . In the video, Seiben - the host - explains how Davriel's vast power comes from how a Worldsoul Entity embedded itself into Davriel's mind, driving him insane but giving him near-limitless power.
That got me thinking on Worldsouls and how the Plane itself is alive.
The rest is just pure conjecture on my behalf, since we don't actually have an answer.
But to me, it makes perfect sense. If the soul of an entire world happens into the Blind Eternities, which are known to warp, twist and rend physical nature and reality , then it makes sense that a Worldsoul could become distorted so much that it becomes an Eldrazi Titan.
We can also look back to see how many worlds are, in canon, dead / destroyed. Not just changed or altered, such as Mirrodin / New Phyrexia, but literally no longer in existence.
We also have Vivien Reid 's world, Skalla, which was destroyed by Nicol Bolas.
There is, technically speaking, Amonkhet - though it is still alive by just a hair with Hazoret protecting a small population of survivors. However, I suspect Amonkhet will soon fall, as a Plane of limitless undead can not be held off forever.
I wish I had at least one more to bring to the table that we know for sure is dead and is also prior to the events of Rise of the Eldrazi, but I don't know of any.
Regardless, we have the following pieces;
- Planes have Worldsouls that can be represented in Avatars - See cards such as Soul of Zendikar and Soul of Innistrad .
- Planes can die, see Ob Nixilis' world, Vivien's world, and the currently dying Amonkhet
- When a Plane dies, it's Worldsoul becomes an 'Entity', which we know is sentient and can influence others. See Davriel
- We know that the Blind Eternities twist and warp reality, nature, biology, mind, body, soul, mana - everything
So it's not a far leap, more like a small step, to assume that the Eldrazi Titans are corrupted Worldsouls.
December 2, 2019 2:18 a.m.
ZendikariWol, I think the OP is proposing a speculative theory. The only place I've seen an Entity referred to was in Children of the Nameless. The suggestion that the Entities might be the world souls of dead planes is intriguing. However, I would hesitate to speculate that Entities are somehow related to the Eldrazi.
The theory that the Eldrazi are some sort of natural plane recyclers makes more sense to me. It has also been hinted towards in canon stories.
December 2, 2019 2:25 a.m.
It could be that Eldrazi Titans are the corrupted Worldsouls, and the lesser Eldrazi that they create are the innate need to create life that still lingers.
That is to say, a Worldsoul want to create life. If it is corrupted, but not 100% altered, it could reasonably still "want" to create life, and the lesser Eldrazi that it creates are the abominations of this need and desire.
Sort of, if you will, like how a Zombie constantly tries to eat - despite not being able to gain any benefit from doing so because, you know, it's dead.
December 2, 2019 2:26 a.m.
While an interesting theory, there is no theory that can be used to explain the eldrazi - they are the MTG ELder gods of Lovecraftian lore. The Eldrazi are purposfully unexplained in terms of origin, because the Elder Gods were not explained and just came to F things up.
Furthermore, the lore of the novel Children of the Nameless cannot be considered cannon, especially since this is the first time we hear of worldsoul entities in 25 years, and we have seen many-a-planes die.
December 2, 2019 4:15 a.m.
Hey this is good stuff! I have been wanting to get into this and yeah the Eldrazi are devours of plains, colorless, devoid.. Like it says with Ulamog; _"A force as voracious as time itself." _
Wanting or devouring great quantities of "food," in their case manna, time, other worlds~
December 2, 2019 4:34 a.m.
It's certainly an entertaining theory, I can see some seeds set for this sort of thing, although Boza has it right - I don't think there ever was an intended origin story for the Eldrazi as that's a big part of what makes them so interesting and terrifying. Maybe they come up with something like this to tie them into the universe more concretely, personally I prefer if they kept the mystique
December 2, 2019 10:31 a.m.
My theory for eldrazi are that they're pre mending planeswalkers and something happened to them to alter them into the eldrazi. Maybe they got stuck in the blind eternietes
December 2, 2019 3:12 p.m.
People should stop speculating about the Eldrazi with half a lens. Consider all the more, not just the parts that fits your hypothesis.
Everyone here is just wrong.
December 3, 2019 8:35 a.m.
kanokarob I like how you just come in the thread, saying everyone's wrong without giving any actual arguments or evidence or reasoning behind it. Must make you feel real smart lol. Doesn't even seem like you read everything in this thread either.
December 3, 2019 9:18 a.m. Edited.
I’m fascinated by your viewpoint, Kanoka, if a bit concerned by your condescension. I’d love to have a discussion.
December 3, 2019 9:41 a.m.
As for you, kanokarab, that was rather churlish, wouldn't you say? Perhaps an opposing viewpoint bolstered by a less crass approach? Then there is something to discuss.
December 3, 2019 10:29 a.m. Edited.
Ugin strongly implies that the Eldrazi are a necessary part of the planar dynamic, and strongly chastises Jace for having the audacity to kill some of the Titans without understanding the full repercussions.
In the Eldrazi-Innistrad arc, we learn Emrakul is an intelligent being capable of rational thought on a human level (though, I would argue that entire arc does a disservice to both the Eldrazi and Innistrad), with some sort of ultimate endgame.
Assuming your theory is true (and it does seem quite plausible, and is one of the better theories I have heard), I think we could take this theory a step further--the Eldrazi Titans we know and love are the "good" corrupted worldsouls, and serve some function in their destruction of planes--possibly the pruning of planes who are likely to fall to corruption.
December 3, 2019 11:01 a.m.
Ive said the same things over and over again in three threads just like this, provided all the evidence that WotC has given us over the years. The more, the articles, the stories. All of the research is there for you guys, and I'm frankly really tired of people putting forward the same tired theories without reading all the material. I apologize for my tone, though I did intend for it. One can only say the same thing so many times before it becomes a chore.
December 3, 2019 8:23 p.m.
so kanokarob any chance you have any reference links or info towards other specific sites others could check out?