Tiny Leaders: Commander Color

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Posted on July 23, 2015, 11:17 a.m. by noobino

Sooo -- I was under the impression Tiny Leaders is a smaller version of EDH with a 3 mana limit and certain banned cards such as the Sol Ring

But, when I start net decking I notice Commanders such as Yasova Dragonclaw

Is this Commander legal? I thought the rule set for EDH was that you cannot play cards that incorporate other color types that aren't directly affected by the Commanders color identity.

Is this also the exception to the rule with Tiny Leaders?

filledelanuit says... #2

Rules questions should be asked the Rules Q&A. summoning Epochalyptik

You are misunderstanding the rules a bit.

The rules for commander (and for Tiny Leaders) are that:

-You cannot play cards in your 99 (or 49 for TL) that are not within your commander's color identity.

-Color identity is determined by: the colored mana symbols anywhere in the rules text or having a color indicator on the card like Dryad Arbor.

For example Yasova Dragonclaw has a color identity of Red, Blue, Green which means that cards in your deck cannot have black or white mana symbols on their card at all or have a color indicator.

July 23, 2015 11:22 a.m. Edited.

GeeksterPlays says... #3

Yasova Dragonclaw would be classed as a 3 colour commander for the purposes of EDH. So she can be a commander for a G/R/U deck, but can't be one of the 99 other cards in a mono-green EDH deck.

Only mana symbols within reminder text (such as that of cards with Extort) are not considered part of the colour identity i.e. Blind Obedience is mono-white.

July 23, 2015 11:23 a.m.

PhoenixStar says... #4

You are correct in your assertion that Tiny Leaders follows most of the rules of EDH, with no card in one's library having a CMC of >3 and a different banlist. And as in commander, no player may include cards in his or her deck that are not incorporated in their commander's color identity. However, color identity includes any and all mana symbols that appear in the commander's mana cost and rules text. So, Yasova Dragonclaw is a legal commander, and decks with her at the helm may run any cards in Temur colors (that are legal in the format).

"903.4: The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that cards mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator."

July 23, 2015 11:27 a.m.

noobino says... #5

Sorry for not placing this in the rules forums -- My bad. Thank you for the assisting me, lordoftheshadows

As for the question at hand; this is where I am mistaken.

"Color identity is determined by: the colored mana symbols anywhere in the rules text or having a color indicator on the card"

I was under the impression that it needed to be the color at which you need to spend to cast the spell.

So if the color is anywhere on the commander, then I can put Island spells in my 49 if Island is on the card, anywhere (with the exception of Extort)

Or is that contradictory to:

"You cannot play cards in your 99 (or 49 for TL) that are not within your commander's color identity."

?

July 23, 2015 11:30 a.m.

noobino says... #6

Thanks guys!

I learned something today.

July 23, 2015 11:34 a.m.

kyuuri117 says... #7

"Color identity is determined by: the colored mana symbols anywhere in the rules text or having a color indicator on the card"

Reread what you linked and it should become easier to understand: "anywhere in the rules text". The "rules text" is everything in that box below the picture, including ability costs. So yea, RGU colors.

July 23, 2015 1:16 p.m.

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