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Posted on Jan. 11, 2018, 12:57 a.m. by Quinnagin27

my friend is thinking about leaving the game and i need some advice. He is the one who got me into the game and it is very saddening. He said our group has gotten to competitive. I don't know how to fix it because we do play kitchen table magic. we don't like any other formats due to the fact that we do have cards we like demonic tutor and Tolrian academy. All i'm asking has someone else been through this and what happen looking for other stories to see what i can do about this.

Entrei says... #3

Is there any chance you can convince your friend to start playing a "fair" format such as frontier? Not even using tournament strategies, just brewing

To answer your question though, it is sad to lose the person who got you into the game. If you cannot convince them to stay, the best thing you can do is ensure the rest of the playgroup enjoys it. In my pod, we have certain cards "banned" in various formats, either because of hellish interactions (Eye of the Storm), being fundamentally broken (Paradox Engine) or just straight up un fun (Possessed Portal). Generally speaking, this should encompass not a specific decks main card, but cards that are simply too powerful for your playgroups meta (Sudden Spoiling).

In any case, try and convince your friend to hit up an LGS and get into a format. While it can be costly, it becomes very fun, although doing well with a homebrew requires an ungodly amount of R&D and playtesting.

Hope this helps

January 11, 2018 1:38 a.m.

OpenFire_V2 says... #4

Possibly look at making new, powered down decks. You can keep the old ones and maybe break them out sometimes, but you could run something like a Sealed league with your friend group, or just try more limited in general. Sad to have someone who got you into the game lose interest, I've had that happen to me with my friend, but I ended up branching off and becoming more competitive anyways.

January 11, 2018 2:36 a.m.

Quinnagin27 says... #5

OpenFire_V2 See i think that is the problem in the beginning we both had super crap decks like i had a tribal samurai deck and he had his Merfolk. The problem is i think i am more of a competitive type of player thank you for your input tho

January 11, 2018 3:42 a.m.

Quinnagin27 says... #6

Entrei It is super upsetting. The other people in my group really have no reason to leave we still enjoy it but our friend just doesn't find it fun. I can agree with you that certain cards need to be banned. It all started after i had built my Sliver deck. My play group has always been focused on tribal decks we have everything from tribal samurai to tribal illusions. After my Slivers (Which i now realize how cancer those are) I deviled deep into magic. My game has change i'm a combo player now. I dream one day to have a Tolarian Academy deck. But he focuses on fun decks, and don't get me wrong i love fun decks i have a squirrel deck. (Back to my story sorry its so long) Soon people where buying more powerful cards and the problem is if we say my friends Goblin Recruiter ban then he comes back and says my tolrian should be ban well then it jumps around till our decks aren't playable. It is just so sad the game even just me think about it without him feel different. hopefully we can find a middle ground thanks for your input

January 11, 2018 3:57 a.m.

Boza says... #7

Focus on finding new formats you enjoy. Pauper (commons only) sounds like what you group needs - it is both competitive with lots of tier 1 decks, tribal ones and good amount of fun for cheap, but can also be upgraded into peasant (5 uncommons in the 75) later on.

You still get to have tough choices and is not a significant investment, so even if you do not enjoy it, you do not have much of a sunk cost.

January 11, 2018 4:30 a.m.

Quinnagin27 says... #8

Boza thats what i told them there not over powered they dont rotate and the best decks cost at max 50 bucks im hoping the decided to do it because it will give us something to keep us playing thanks for input

January 11, 2018 4:52 a.m.

Hunson_Abadeer says... #9

My friends and I for the most part only play kitchen table magic with no real ban list or price cap on our decks. Now we also have the respect to not make a deck that is strictly constructed to counter another.

We all have found our own tribes we like to play and many of the decks we construct are tribals. Heavy creature based decks make for a very fun casual match up.

We also play a lot of multiplayer which is also a good time.

Our decks over time have become more and more competitive but I don't think it's a bad thing. It's cool to see you and your friends develop into better players and deck builders. Maybe consider having one or two decks to be competitive between your friends and many other more budget Tribal/casual decks.

I hope your friend stays in the game. The competitiveness isn't always a bad thing; it is something that eventually comes as you become more experienced and knowledgeable.

January 11, 2018 8:33 a.m.

Pauper is a very fun format with an absolute ton of variety. The best part is that it is super cheap and it has an objective deck building criteria so there is no way to cry foul or to think someone is power gaming. Another great benefit of pauper is that it feels like "the good ole days" gone are the decks that just jam out op cards turn after turn with no game plan other than out value your opponent. Almost every deck is "fair" and synergistic and flavorful. Plus you can brew pauper or play netdecks. Either way i have been selling pauper to everyone because it truly is the absolute best constructed format for damn near every possible reason you could think of.

Also. Sometimes we get burnt out of games. Sometimes we need a break from them and to comeback refreshed or sometimes to not comeback at all. If your friend wants to leave the game it's fine but for.the love of God convince him not to sell his cards.

January 11, 2018 9:50 a.m.

Quinnagin27 says... #11

StardustDragon11 Trust me i already told him to hold on to them and he said he would or i would hold on to them and pay for them till he wants them back. I am currently trying to get them in to pauper i already have built some decks on here and im hoping that will be the solution to keep them in the game.

January 14, 2018 1:01 a.m.

Quinnagin27 says... #12

Hunson_Abadeer We started with that i use to have a very fun (but bad XD) samurai tribal and he had angels and demons and merfolk. we had a ton of tribal decks but i started to drift away from that i love the tribal theme and still 75% of my decks are tribal. I love using my mythic and stuff but there just to powerful now. im hoping that a little pauper in between the big games will help us.

January 14, 2018 1:05 a.m.

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