What does exile really mean?
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Posted on Nov. 25, 2013, 9:11 p.m. by Dreadwhite509
We all know that "exile" is essentially removed from game.... But it really isn't..... Tik about a morph card that comes into play"exiled face down" or an artifact with imprint. Both players have their own exile areas, but this seems to exist both own and off the feild. like flicker ability. But when you read the old text from the carc "Recall",the words " remove from the game" sound much more perminent.Is exile really just a second graveyard in some cases, or some undeveloped region of the game?, or cold the dark and questionable realm of exile be something mtg could utilize more?
Epochalyptik says... #3
Nothing can be exiled and in play. Morph cards simply enter the battlefield face-down. They aren't exiled because they're on the battlefield.
Also, exile is a shared zone. No player has his or her exile zone. Same with the battlefield. The battlefield is a shared zone.
November 25, 2013 9:16 p.m.
Stygian333 says... #6
Is everyone allowed to look at cards exiled with Bane Alley Broker or just you?
November 25, 2013 9:41 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #7
Only you because it specifies that they're exiled facedown. A player can't look at facedown cards unless specified, like with Bane Alley Broker 's ability.
November 25, 2013 9:44 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
Bane Alley Broker says "You may look at cards exiled with ~."
"You" in the text of an object always refers to the controller of that object. Also, unless otherwise specified, players can't look at face-down cards.
Because Bane Alley Broker allows you to look at cards exiled face-down with its ability, you are able to do exactly that. You are also the only player able to look at those cards because they're linked specifically to the other abilities on each instance of Bane Alley Broker . If control of Bane Alley Broker changes, the new controller will be the only player able to look at those cards. If Bane Alley Broker leaves the battlefield, then no player will be able to look at the face-down cards.
November 25, 2013 9:49 p.m.
Stygian333 says... #9
That is a very interesting caveat. Thank you for the explanation Epochalyptik. Also, Misthollow Griffin is just hilarious. Graveyard 2.0 is what some of the MTG articles reveal R&D does not want the exiled zone to become.
November 25, 2013 9:57 p.m.
Stygian333 - Yeah, Maro wants there to be a distinction from exile and the graveyard. Which is why he doesn't like cards like Misthollow Griffin
or Runic Repetition
which allow cards to come back from exile. Just remember that Exile = Removed from the Game as why exile is important.
November 25, 2013 10:33 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
Thankfully, there are very few cards that interact with exile in that way. Misthollow Griffin and Runic Repetition were printed in a block that was heavily focused on exile, and Riftsweeper isn't exactly relevant in anything.
November 25, 2013 11:17 p.m.
Epochalyptik - I would posit that Innistrad had a heavy graveyard focus, not a heavy exile focus. Due to the inclusion of Flashback we get cards like Snapcaster Mage
. Also since RTR was after Innistrad, we got Deathrite Shaman
and the Golgari that exiled creatures from the graveyard with Scavenge.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I just got back into Magic with M14 and Theros. But I don't think we've had an exile-matters set/block yet.
November 25, 2013 11:31 p.m.
Dreadwhite509 says... #14
Epochalyptic, I think each player does have their own exile, in addition to the larger shared one. Remember we can exile our own cards on our side if the feild, but it doesn't mean both players can access them.
November 27, 2013 5:24 p.m.
Dreadwhite509 says... #15
Epochalyptic, I think each player does have their own exile, in addition to the larger shared one. Remember we can exile our own cards on our side of the feild, but it doesn't mean both players can access them.
November 27, 2013 5:25 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #16
@Dreadwhite509: You're incorrect. There's no "side of the field." Both the battlefield and the exile zone are shared zones. Same for the command zone. There aren't individual zones of these kinds for each player.
Effects and rules can certainly influence who can do what with certain cards in these zones, but those effects and rules do NOT partition these zones into separate plots for each player.
November 27, 2013 5:30 p.m.
nobu_the_bard says... #17
(emphasis mine)
400.1. A zone is a place where objects can be during a game. There are normally seven zones: library, hand, battlefield, graveyard, stack, exile, and command. Some older cards also use the ante zone. Each player has his or her own library, hand, and graveyard. The other zones are shared by all players.
400.2. Public zones are zones in which all players can see the cards' faces, except for those cards that some rule or effect specifically allow to be face down. Graveyard, battlefield, stack, exile, ante, and command are public zones. Hidden zones are zones in which not all players can be expected to see the cards' faces. Library and hand are hidden zones, even if all the cards in one such zone happen to be revealed.
I think the line between shared/not and public/private was drawn in Fifth edition, but I might be misremembering, it happened right around when I was first learning and I am super fuzzy about it since I may have played one game total using the rules predating it.
HarbingerJK says... #2
I guess you could say it's a secondary graveyard that is more difficult to access
November 25, 2013 9:14 p.m.