So heres an idea...
Posted on April 16, 2018, 2:49 p.m. by NotSoShrewdJew
So, i dont know if this has been said before but Id like to get a discussion going. Since theres a vocal opinion about brawl that isnt exactly positive (Which by all means to each their own) , I have a compromise. How about we have three types of the brawl format with their own banlists and set accessibilies.
First theres Brawl: normal brawl with the rules established by the original post on wizards website.
Second theres Limited Brawl (ironic but bear with me): This uses all the core mechanics of Brawl but uses cards that are legal in modern that will have its own banlist. Cards banned in modern as of this post will be the basis for the current banned list and will be added to and removed as the general opinion changes and grows.
Lastly theres unlimited Brawl: This uses every card ever made that is legal within the realm of commander. Each rules stay the same and banned cards are the same as commander. These too will be changed as the format grows and the card pool changes
4th? Pauper brawl?
5th? Brewers brawl: no banlist just stick to the general rules of brawl
Any ideas? Let me know in responses below! This is supposed to be a compromise as people who are adverse to the format usually dont like the idea of another rotating format. For those who like the idea of brawl can play in the card pool that they want without having to deal with just sticking to making a standard deck or having to deal with the constant rotation of cards.
Anyways, thank you for considering and I hope this gets off the ground well enough for there to be competitive events or something at Friday night magic. I believe that brawl can be a format that people enjoy as long as its treated right. Any and all criticism or ideas are welcome. I only as to try to keep all opinions constructive and respect others opinions.
One of the biggest problems with creating a new format is that you need to justify it in the context of all the other available formats. House rules and local formats are one thing, but an official, supported format is quite another. And splitting Brawl into N splinter formats raises two questions: (1) why bother having so many variations of a format, each with different rules, and (2) why pursue a format that is already flawed to the extent that it needs to be divided as such?
Too much complexity is a bad thing: it's a barrier to entry and needlessly and artificially inflates the game's learning curve. It would be better to fix Brawl and move it forward as one format with one ruleset than to promulgate a plethora of subvariants in an attempt to appease everyone.
April 16, 2018 3:25 p.m.
Sounds like it would be very confusing. Also splitting it up into different formats would also split the player base which is a problem with a new format. So there would be less people playing each sub format instead of everyone playing the same thing.
April 16, 2018 4:04 p.m.
My playgroup has been brewing Frontier Brawl.
Same rules as Brawl but the card pool is M15 onwards, with no ban list.
That means you don't have your cards rotate out and, since it's singleton, it isn't as expensive or overpowered as regular Frontier,
April 16, 2018 5:44 p.m.
Epochalyptik: I understand completely really. I was just spitballing some ideas and a division between bases never really crossed my mind. It was an oversight which would have helped my argument somewhat. I do think that trying to appease everyone is rather silly and itd just be better to make a casual deck with those restrictions rather than making an established format. I think one way we could fix brawl , instead of creating new formats , is to fix the standard card pool . Unfortunately thats out of our hands directly , but I think with some persistence we could. I concede this point to you and realize how redundant my original idea is. Its great for casual but not for FNM
April 16, 2018 8:07 p.m.
your idea for "unlimited brawl" is exactly the same as normal commander with the only difference being 60 cards instead of 100.
April 16, 2018 8:31 p.m.
Since Brawl is a casual format you can play it however you want to.
I think an issue with it might be that Wizards employees were playing it, but I'm guessing they have access to all the cards.
If they are targetting newer players, those won't have access to such a big pool.
I can see a stepping stone arrangement with newer players getting into Brawl, then moving into Frontier Brawl as they get more cards, then finally into Commander.
Though, with access to Commander precons, there is really no use for those other two steps.
The reason we are trying it is because the decks are a bit less OP than our EDH decks, the 60 card format and Frontier card pool means a deck is a little easy to build, the games are a bit faster than EDH, and it's just nice to play something a little different.
April 16, 2018 8:33 p.m.
I love deck restrictions, and I don't have a problem with the idea of brawl. I like the idea of 'block party' brawl, and only playing cards available in your commander's block. I would love a kamigawa brawn deck. You could extend that to cards that were standard when your commander's was in standard, but that gets complicated than.
I think that would let us focus on the flavor of individual blocks while still keeping the commander-lite feeling.