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Let me get this straight, paying money for virtual cards will make me enjoy magic more? Pardon my french, but that is utter bullshit.
I don't use Cockatrice but I use Forge, which is a very similar program, and it is the reason I have developed so quickly as a magic player and as a deck builder. It is not stealing, and moreover, at times it is more fun than playing paper magic with my friends.
If you took the point of "it hurts wizards and that's why you shouldn't do it" then I would agree with you, but I have to disagree with you and with anyone who argues that it is less fun than MTGO or paper magic.
@bman5604: Playing on Cockatrice doesn't hurt anybody. I'd say the vast majority of players who use Cockatrice wouldn't pay for MTGO even if Cockatrice were permanently shut down, which can't really happen. Numerous message boards and polls from after the first server shut-down suggest I'm correct.
That being said, Cockatrice generates no money for anybody and the average user plays Magic IRL, feeding the greed machine that is Hasbro.
In fact, if it weren't for Cockatrice, some players might not have ever started. If you were just getting into a card game but didn't have the money to start playing anything but crap-kitchen-table-crap-pauper, how would you feed your addiction? By playing Cockatrice or giving up?
So, explain to us all, again, how Cockatrice hurts Magic.
Actually, myself and a lot of people I know use Cockatrice to playtest a deck for PTQ's before we invest in the paper cards. With that intention, Cockatrice is increasing sales of cards that I may not have purchased otherwise. I'm not against using MTGO, but there is something to be said about playtesting before purchasing cards. Do you feel that using proxies is stealing? Because proxies are what many people use to playtest decks in person before buying cards as well.
Also, saying Cockatrice is stealing from Wizards is also saying that the playtester on this site is stealing from Wizards. Please don't try to argue that you can't play games with the playtester because you can. You just need to open the decks in different tabs/windows and there you have it, the equivalent of Cockatrice set to play a local game where you play by yourself.
And about the stealing thing - If nobody's making money off stolen goods, wouldn't you just see it as an honor that so many people appreciate what you make?
You can call it stealing all you want, but then your argument simply boils down to "stealing is bad and you're bad for it," without anywhere to go beyond that.
There is the sense that it is stealing, the money not earned from players who would play MTGO if there was no alternative is still stealing from their products. yes this logic is valid logic, It is simply two competing companies offering the same product. The big difference is one of the companies doesn't own any of the patents or intellectual rights to market the product. how would you feel if something you sold/invented/bank rolled was given away for free?
If you still think cockatrice (as the example, not to point fingers, since there are other products) is OK, then you should never get into business unless you are willing to give away your profits in a similar manner.
As for many saying they wouldn't do mtgo, many more would if given no alternative. What is voiced is never the full picture.
With that said, I only play paper, use cockatrice locally to build and goldfish and playtest against my ownself, have an mtgo account I don't invest in.