Let's Discuss: Mad Salty Bois
Posted on Aug. 17, 2018, 8:13 a.m. by TypicalTimmy
Anyone have a recent game (Any format) where you made someone super salty? Was that person you? Do you need a hug :c
- Be me, playing 98% vanilla Windgrace precon
- Only swapped out two cards. A basic Forest and Worm Harvest for a Xenagos, the Reveler and a Garruk, Apex Predator
- Playing a game at my LGS; 1v1. He's using a Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind deck
- I understand he wants to draw into a ton of cards, pinging me for 1 damage as a wincon. But I also understand that Nivvyboi costs 6 to play and I'm up against blue
- So, we play the waiting game
- Turn after turn after turn I play literally nothing. I took an opening hand of 5 lands just for this occasion. Eventually I play a single Explosive Vegetation to get even more lands
- He's getting super mad, having to discard because I'm not playing any spells worth countering
- He brings out a Baral, Chief of Compliance and eventually enough lands to drop Nivvy
- K. So since he's tapped out, I drop Avenger of Zendikar and dump 8x 0/1 Plant tokens on the field
- Uber pissed at this point, but I'm just getting started
- The next turn he draws and decides to ping one of my 0/1 Plant tokens for 1 damage, bringing me down to 7 tokens left. He taps Nivvy and ping's me for 1 damage, draws, and passes with 7 or 8 lands untapped and a hand full of cards at his disposal
- I draw, smile, and proceed
- "I play Terramorphic Expanse and sac it for a Swamp. Pay , sac Jund Panorama and search for a Forest. Pay and sac Myriad Landscape for two Mountains."
- "ARE YOU DONE YET?!"
- "No. I Putrefy your Baral, Chief of Compliance. Does it resolve?"
- He looks over his hand, checks his lands, and agrees that Baral becomes to stinky and dies
- "Cool. Full Swing I swing for game."
- His expression drops and he goes "Wait, WHAT?! HOW?!"
- "I had five lands enter this turn. Avenger of Zendikar puts a +1/+1 counter on every Plant creature whenever a land hits, because of his Landfall. So Avenger is a 5/5 and I am swinging with seven 5/6 tokens. That's 40 damage."
- He burns through his hand looking for a response, but nothing is there to save him. He takes the full 40 to the face and becomes plant food
I had to check the math to make sure I did my land count correctly. I had 8 lands when AoZ entered because I had 8 tokens. He killed one, bringing me down to 7.
8 lands, I play TE as my 9th. Swamp enters tapped.
I pay 1 and sac JP, bringing me down from 8 available mana to 6 (Sac'd land + tapped land)
Then I pay 2 and sac ML, bringing me down to 3 lands left (Sac'd land + 2 tapped)
That's how I played Putrefy with all that activation.
TBH your opponent in that game played like shit and probably doesn't have a lot of experience with control.
Firstly, he should have countered Explosive Vegetation. If you're at a point in the game where you're literally discarding because your opponent isn't playing spells, then you should have 5-7 counters in hand and absolutely hit that ramp spell with ye olde "nope".
Secondly, he played Niv in a way that tapped him out? It was obvious you were stalling, time is on the side of the control player, this guy had zero patience. Honestly this guy needs to either re-orient himself to understand how to play control, or he just needs to play something else. RDW sounds right up his aisle.
Anyways, as for myself, I don't have much tendency to make other players salty at the table, but I do have a tendency to make myself pretty damn salty. I have a habit of being extremely self-critical, in Magic or out, so when I recognize a misplay, especially if it cost me the game, that really frustrates me. If I recognize a series of major misplays, especially spanning across multiple games, expect me to get really fucking salty about it.
Honestly TypicalTimmy, if I was in your opponent's shoes in that match I'd be salty too, but not because of what you did, because of how badly I screwed that up.
August 17, 2018 8:40 a.m. Edited.
Im surprised there wasnt even a Spell Pierce thrown your way with all that draw.... but sometimes things just happen... I play blue a lot and there are plenty of times having mana untapped as a bluff doesnt pan out....unfortunately for the Niv Mizzet player.... he became plant food :p
I have lost games and have been salty over my inability to add once or twice. tapping out thinking i could survive the upcoming attack to take the game the following turn through combo... But I think everyone "oops" loses due to arithmetic failures at least once in there life.
August 17, 2018 8:51 a.m.
Our Nekusar player got pretty salty when I Cyclonic Rifted all 4 discardDamage permanents and 3 drawDamage permanents in response to 2 wheels on the stack. I only had 5 mana open. He could have killed me with one wheel and had enough to counter my Rift, but he was not aware of my Dark Ritual.
August 17, 2018 9:03 a.m.
I had a time during a PPTQ where I opened a bonkers pool and made a 5c Bombs deck with two gift of paradise and an evolving wilds. Rares were Rhonas, Glyph Keeper, Regal Caracal, and 2 more great rares or so.
Went 4-0-2 to make it to top 8.
Anyways in match 2, I handidly beat the opponent game 1, and on game 2 he got aggressive and got me down to about 9 when I dropped Rhonas. Then swung in for about 5. He dropped me down to one.
Next turn I swung in with my team, played Onward at instant speed, gave the creature trample with rhonas, and then flung it at his face just in case.
The guy threw down his cards,dice, and stormed off. Did not say anything to me. The next match I received a "random" deck check where they confirmed I had not cheated.
Anyways, dude was super salty. Didn't mean to be a jerk but I made my deck to have a combo of trample + double strike + fling at times along with just playing really good cards. I just wanted to be able to have the possibility to kill someone out of nowhere since a lot of people don't expect it.
August 17, 2018 9:04 a.m.
On Arena, I play UW control, and over half the games I play end with the opponent rage-quitting. Whether it's their first spell getting cast, their board getting Fumigated, or them just seeing two islands and a plains open on turn 3, far too many players just leave when they see an enemy control deck.
Quite frankly, it has me quite "salty" as well, and has killed much of my interest in Arena.
In paper Magic, the worst was probably the first, and only time I played my "casual" graveborn deck. Though not as optimized as it could have been, having a turn 1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is not exactly welcome at a kitchen table game.
The most salty I've ever been probably was back during Dragons of Tarkir prerelease. My LGS at the time was about 40 minutes from where I lived, way out in a failing industrial town. There were maybe 6 other players there, all of whom knew one another, and who were not particularly happy with outsiders showing up.
During one of the games, they had one creature with vigilance untapped, which was all that stood between me and victory. I tapped down their creature, to which they responded "Yeah, but it has vigilance, so it automatically untaps." After explaining that no, that wasn't the case, they called over the game store owner who was supervising the event (no idea if they were a judge or not, but they were playing the part of judge for the night). I was told, incorrectly, that the opponent was correct--a decision which left me tapped out and promptly lost me the game.
August 17, 2018 9:32 a.m.
"having a turn 1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is not exactly welcome at a kitchen table game."
I mean, at some point we have to draw the line between being salty and scooping, right? there's just no point in playing that out, you've won the game, lets move on to the next, no?
"There were maybe 6 other players there, all of whom knew one another, and who were not particularly happy with outsiders showing up.
During one of the games, they had one creature with vigilance untapped, which was all that stood between me and victory. I tapped down their creature, to which they responded "Yeah, but it has vigilance, so it automatically untaps." After explaining that no, that wasn't the case, they called over the game store owner who was supervising the event (no idea if they were a judge or not, but they were playing the part of judge for the night). I was told, incorrectly, that the opponent was correct--a decision which left me tapped out and promptly lost me the game."
This shit really grinds my gears though, and it's a story I've heard all too often. These two things (not liking outsiders, and playing the game wrong) go hand in hand. They know outsiders call them out on playing shit wrong, but they refuse to accept being wrong, and want to continue playing the game wrong. It's not usually in a store-owner type capacity, but I've seen this same story about playgroups time and time again irl. These people don't want to learn to play the game properly, they just want to play the game the way they have been, that they learned from 72nd hand accounts on how the rules work, diluted to the point that it's only even vaguely similar to MTG.
August 17, 2018 10:32 a.m. Edited.
Frankly, if it was ignorance about the rules, I would not be bitter about the situation.
Unfortunately, I am fairly certain these people knew the rules and were just straight up cheating in collusion with one another. This group exhibited every bad steryotype of blue collar America (distrust of outsiders, distrust of the "educated"; and distrust of the law--not a great combination if you're a law student in their territory) and every bad sterotype of nerd culture (I was there with my SO, and while they were thankfully too socially awkward to talk with her, they often took out their frustration/jealousy by being meaner to me than to the single guy who also was with us).
We attended the entire Khans block there, since there were no other options in our vicinity. It was awkward for Khans/Fate Reforged, but Dragons was when we decided we'd had enough. Thankfully, by Origins, we were in a different city and found the lovely LGS we currently attend.
August 17, 2018 10:49 a.m.
I'm glad you found a better place to play! I've seen that kind of attitude drive people out of the game entirely. That's why I hate it so much. And I find it's rarely just ignorance of the rules, it's usually an active choice to ignore the rules. I wouldn't be surprised if they were colluding to try to push you out, since you were, in their eye, an outsider.
The part that gets to me is that they're probably still there, still doing that, almost certainly pushing would-be new players to the game out of the game.
August 17, 2018 11:07 a.m.
The other day me and my friends where playing a 3 way I had mimeoplasma(bug) my one friend had a melek(ur) and my other friend had the new esper(wbu) precon with some changes and melek Cyclonic Rifted and other mass bounce effects like 8 turns in a row I made the same move so many times. I just wanted to play the game. A few weeks ago me and the same two did a 60 card three way and I pulled off infinte myr tokens with myr progenitor
August 17, 2018 12:28 p.m.
Oh, since I forgot to respond to the first point you made Tyrant-Thanatos.
They had every right to be salty! It had no place at that particular kitchen table, which is dominated by complex combos and alternate win conditions (we're mostly Johnny players).
August 17, 2018 12:35 p.m.
I've had a few instances where people will call me salty or claim I'm "rage quitting" when it's like nah man, I'm not mad, but this game is over, there's no reason to sit around and play it all out.
I never scoop in a multiplayer setting, but that's just because it can and will alter the course of the game, and often change who wins, depending on the board state. But if it's 1 on 1, even if it's cleaning up what was a multiplayer game, it's not hard at all to look at the board state, look at your hand, and determine that you can't win. And some people just don't get that. They'll say things like "well you never know what you might draw, you could still win", no dude, I know every card in my deck, there is nothing I can topdeck in the next two turns that can turn this around. /shrug
August 17, 2018 12:49 p.m.
I then top decked lands 12 times in a row so her so her single Zombie Token swung in for lethal 20 damage over the next 10 turns...it was actually pretty Hilarious.
August 17, 2018 9:24 p.m.
"My opponent played a spell once I tapped out? How could this happen?"
August 18, 2018 12:16 a.m.
Suppose I should clarify with my story.
The dude literally threw his hand. After he took the 40, I began to shuffle my stuff back together.
He took his hand, scoffed to the side and threw his hand at his deck box. Then put everything together and said that this game (The one we just played, not MTG in general) is BS and left.
That's why I said he was salty, cuz he was lol.
August 18, 2018 3:27 a.m.
TypicalTimmy Props on the win bro, especially with that precon!
But I just want to say that Worm Harvest is pretty solid and should be in the deck ;)
August 18, 2018 5:36 a.m.
Oh yeah TypicalTimmy, I didn't mean to imply that he didn't get salty as hell about it, I'm not surprised he did. I just meant to say that I feel like it has less to do with how you played, and more to do with how he did. He lost that handily because he didn't know how to play his deck.
Avenger of Zendikar is an edh staple that you should be expecting to face the moment you know your opponent is playing green. His failure in being prepared for that, failure in tapping out for his commander (which is often a terrible idea, control or otherwise), and failure to recognize ramp as a threat is what lead him down this sodium rich path.
August 18, 2018 7:37 a.m.
My most salty was probably when I played against an 8-Rack for the first time. To this day, 8-Rack is still my least favorite deck to play against. Mill is okay, even Ponza is better than 8-Rack. Land Destruction at the very least gives you a chance, because you can't have too much land hate and still be competitive. But 8-Rack is built especially to ban you from playing Magic AND win because of it. I called it a b***h.
Then there's this one friend, and boi is he salty. If he wins it's always because his deck was better and he played better, but if he loses it's because I was lucky or have BS broken cards. You know the type, right? One time I played against his Legacy Mana Flare deck with my janky Kefnet the Mindful Standard and beat him 50% of the time. 'Cos you know, 5/5 Flying God that can only attack when I have 7 or more cards in hand is broken compared to casting Reverse the Sands followed by a massive Banefire.
August 20, 2018 3:25 p.m.
So this happened a few years back when I got into the game through some friends at school. I made a Angel deck that was just shite, but all our decks were shite at that point except for 1 guy, he had a fully competetive Modern Burn deck with all the expensive shit etc. So I 1v1 him, some how survived till turn 5 when I could drop Angels and attack. He had me at 2 life, but through lifelink and vigilance I survived and won the game. Well you can imagine the salt levels went through the roof. Luckily the guy left the group after we all decide to start playing commander "because he couldn't play burn in Commander"
August 20, 2018 5:25 p.m.
I can't recall any good rage moments from my opponents, but one of my personal moments of salt was during Khans Pre-release. I had not been playing long and was still figuring out how to play the game.
My first opponent sat down and immediately started complaining about how terrible his pulls were and how bad his deck was, bemoaning his rotten luck and how certain he was to lose. Game one he proceeded to play both planeswalkers from the set and utterly crush me, but it didn't cheer him up at all. He just kept going on and on about how much his deck sucked as he completely steam rolled me with both planeswalkers again. I saw him several other times throughout the rest of the night and every time he was talking to someone about how bad his pulls were. I was like, Dude!!!! Your pulls were amazing! and he was like, Nah, they just suck.
It wasn't rage inducing, as much as it was extremely annoying.