How is Guttural Response a Break?
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Posted on Nov. 16, 2019, 1:23 a.m. by DemonDragonJ
Mark Rosewater has stated multiple times that Guttural Response breaks the color pie, but I do not see how it does, since it is so limited that I feel that it is perfectly within the capabilities of red and green.
What does everyone else say about this? Do you believe that Guttural Response is a break in the color pie? Why or why not?
DemonDragonJ says... #3
CharonSquared, Guttural Response can counter only blue instant spells, so it really is useful only against counterspells, so I still believe that that is an acceptable bend, but not a break.
November 16, 2019 1:32 a.m.
Typically red will redirect or copy spells, rather than countering (yes, I'm aware that Red Elemental Blast is a card), however in modern times we see a lot more cards like Reverberate , Ricochet Trap , Bolt Bend , etc. Green on the other hand just forces their spells through with stuff like Autumn's Veil , Veil of Summer , Savage Summoning , Prowling Serpopard , etc.
And when you put them together, you get stuff like Vexing Shusher , who is the epitome of red/green.
November 16, 2019 1:59 a.m.
TheMagicJankster says... #5
You can use flavor to validate just about anything so it really isn't a valid reason.
November 16, 2019 7:36 a.m.
grumbledore says... #6
Dash Hopes and Mana Tithe were both printed in Planar Chaos - a set that was focused on breaking the color pie (also: Damnation ). RG has no business having a hard counter. That said, I love Guttural Response . Countering a cryptic with that is just ... oh so good lol
November 16, 2019 9:34 a.m.
There are four cards that specifically counter Blue spells: Burnout , Pyroblast , Red Elemental Blast , and Guttural Response . You’ll notice those all share something in common - Red.
The problem with Guttural Response is not the fact that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for ; the problem is that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for as well. That’s where it breaks the colour pie.
November 16, 2019 11:45 a.m. Edited.
Coward_Token says... #8
Things like Vexing Shusher & Rhythm of the Wild are 's contemporary, non-breaky answer to 's counterspells
November 16, 2019 5:19 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #10
Caerwyn, how is that the case? Green is red's ally and blue's other enemy, so I do not see the problem.
Nights_Loser, I agree with you about that.
CharonSquared says... #2
It's not a matter of power level or flexibility, it's that counterspells are almost always blue. Off the top of my head, the only other exceptions are Mana Tithe , Lapse of Certainty , and Dash Hopes .
November 16, 2019 1:28 a.m.