How is Guttural Response a Break?
Posted on Nov. 16, 2019, 1:23 a.m. by DemonDragonJ
Mark Rosewater has stated multiple times that Guttural Response breaks the color pie, but I do not see how it does, since it is so limited that I feel that it is perfectly within the capabilities of red and green.
What does everyone else say about this? Do you believe that Guttural Response is a break in the color pie? Why or why not?
It's not a matter of power level or flexibility, it's that counterspells are almost always blue. Off the top of my head, the only other exceptions are Mana Tithe , Lapse of Certainty , and Dash Hopes .
November 16, 2019 1:28 a.m.
November 16, 2019 1:32 a.m.
Typically red will redirect or copy spells, rather than countering (yes, I'm aware that Red Elemental Blast is a card), however in modern times we see a lot more cards like Reverberate , Ricochet Trap , Bolt Bend , etc. Green on the other hand just forces their spells through with stuff like Autumn's Veil , Veil of Summer , Savage Summoning , Prowling Serpopard , etc.
And when you put them together, you get stuff like Vexing Shusher , who is the epitome of red/green.
November 16, 2019 1:59 a.m.
Each color has at least one counterspell, and each are conditional within the context of their own flavor for said color.
For example, red hates artifacts so Artifact Blast makes sense in red.
Similarly, Dash Hopes makes sense in black because it allows life to be paid to circumvent the card.
As long as a card mechanically and flavorfully makes sense within it's established color philosophy, it only bends the rules.
Mistcutter Hydra is a giant creature, whom Green loves.
Burnout makes a lot less sense and is another example of cards that break the pie. You shouldn't be able to counter AND draw in red for 2cmc, one being generic.
So it's more so about HOW those cards get things done and much less about THAT they get those things done.
November 16, 2019 4:11 a.m.
You can use flavor to validate just about anything so it really isn't a valid reason.
November 16, 2019 7:36 a.m.
Dash Hopes and Mana Tithe were both printed in Planar Chaos - a set that was focused on breaking the color pie (also: Damnation ). RG has no business having a hard counter. That said, I love Guttural Response . Countering a cryptic with that is just ... oh so good lol
November 16, 2019 9:34 a.m.
The problem with Guttural Response is not the fact that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for ; the problem is that it is an anti-Blue Counterspell for as well. That’s where it breaks the colour pie.
November 16, 2019 11:45 a.m. Edited.
November 16, 2019 5:19 p.m.
Nights_Loser, I agree with you about that.