Dimir Keyrune

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Posted on Jan. 7, 2013, 7:14 p.m. by Fleetfiend

Is it just me, or is Dimir Keyrune a bit overpowered than the other Keyrunes?

Especially versus, say, Boros Keyrune:

Dimir gets 2/2 with the addition of being unblockable (which is stunning with the Cipher mechanic). However, Boros is a 1/1 with double strike, meaning it's only a BIT better than being a 2/1.

I'm not trying to be the "thatz sooooo OP!" person, but I just don't feel like the keyrunes are balanced very well.

Nonetheless, some thoughts on Dimir/Boros keyrunes? I personally love the Dimir Keyrune, but as mentioned the Boros one is underwhelming. It should at least be a 1/3, or something.

Roborapter says... #1

you're definitely right about the balance of power BETWEEN the keyrunes. i think rakdos keyrune is definitely the best of all so far, 3/1 first strike? the only other one that can kill it is boros keyrune and as we can see, it is not nearly as powerful

January 7, 2013 7:38 p.m.

Rewdog says... #2

The key runes seem to be built around the guild's mechanic. as you said the dimir key is madly powerful with the cipher mechanic because the dimir mechanic is cipher. take Gruul Keyrune for example; it has decent stats and TRAMPLE, why trample? because it works tremendously with bloodrush. the boros keyrune is probably going to be less powerful because the boros mechanic has such a simple requirement: Creatures. they tried to make up for it a little with double strike but the fact is the boros mechanic doesnt need an amazing keyrune to work, so wizards didnt give them one

January 7, 2013 7:40 p.m.

Chubbub says... #3

Does a ciphered spell stay ciphered on the dimir keyrune even once it switches back to an artifact?

January 7, 2013 7:42 p.m.

Chubbub says... #4

Does a ciphered spell stay ciphered on the dimir keyrune even once it switches back to an artifact?

January 7, 2013 7:42 p.m.

gheridarigaaz says... #5

I kinda anticipated the boros one to be more like a 1/2 double striker, e.g. Boros Swiftblade , but if you think about it... boros keyrune is meant to work in a guild that's pretty strongly powered by Trumpet Blast effects, couple it with the possibility that there'll probably be a fair number of battalion cards that do that, it makes sense to give it the same stats that Fencing Ace recieves.

Bar that, either one could be coupled with Exalted to devastating effect. I kinda look forward to running Cipher on a double-striker.

January 7, 2013 7:42 p.m.

EleshBlade says... #6

Wouldn't the cipher spell fall of DImir keyrune after it goes back to an artifact?

January 7, 2013 7:43 p.m.

gheridarigaaz says... #7

Nope... cipher isnt like an enchantment which can only be attached to a specific permanent type.

Think of it as more like Imprint. The cipher card is removed from the game and imprinted on a permanent, wether the permanent changes type the imprint stays regardless...

January 7, 2013 7:47 p.m.

Rewdog says... #8

no, it stays encoded on the card. you will just have to pay to make it a creature again and hit your opponent.

January 7, 2013 7:47 p.m.

DaCeltics says... #9

The encoded spell doesn't fall off the keyrune after it transforms back into an artifact, just like +1/+1 counters don't fall off a manland, which is why the keyrune is just stupid with the mechanic.

January 7, 2013 7:49 p.m.

Chubbub says... #10

Wow. Broken much?

January 7, 2013 7:50 p.m.

Fleetfiend says... #11

Yep, that also makes it harder to get rid of, too.

I mean, I don't think the Boros Keyrune is BAD. I just think the Dimir one is ridiculous! xD

January 7, 2013 7:54 p.m.

The_Darkhorse says... #12

The problem is cipher is one of the weaker mechanics to come from the set

January 7, 2013 7:55 p.m.

Chubbub says... #13

Say whaaaa??? Cipher is like so freakin awesome with stuff like Latch Seeker , Invisible Stalker , and Dimir Keyrune. Extort and Bloodrush are much weaker in my opinion.

January 7, 2013 7:58 p.m.

Fleetfiend says... #14

Yeah, Darkhorse, I'm not sure where that came from. I agree with Chubbub.

January 7, 2013 8:03 p.m.

hollandboys says... #15

Cipher could be one of the most broken mechanics. However, with the cards printed so far it does strike me as being viable in competitive play. I've been wrong before though

January 7, 2013 8:19 p.m.

Rewdog says... #16

In defense of bloodrush, it is almost impossible to counter this ability when activated in response to not being blocked and is just gives a choice as to whether or not you want a creature or a buff spell and even the less efficient bloodrush creatures like Zhur-Taa Swine can push in 5 extra damage for only 3 mana.

January 7, 2013 8:22 p.m.

hollandboys says... #17

As for the keyrunes, I agree that boros got the short end of the stick, it's definitely the worst one. But I find there is an imbalance in lots of the stuff released this set. I mean, compare Selesnya Charm or Azorius Charm to dimir charm or Izzet Charm

January 7, 2013 8:23 p.m.

MagnorCriol says... #18

1/1 double strike is not barely better than a 2/1 - double strike is a very powerful ability. Any static p/t boost or attack trigger that boosts power gets massive value from double strike, and that's exactly what we can probably expect from Boros cards.

2/2 unblockable is still pretty powerful though, no doubt. It's hard to deal with since you can't kill it with sorceries and you can't stop it in combat unless they have to block with it. I'd still rate it behind the Rakdos keyrune though, and it might be behind Golgari and Boros' too; Ill have to play them to figure it out.

January 7, 2013 8:25 p.m.

Fleetfiend says... #19

That's a good point about the pumping, for sure. But the 1 toughness still makes me cringe. xD

With bloodrush, though, it could be quite powerful, as well as with battalion if they show up with team-boosting abilities (which I don't doubt they will).

January 7, 2013 8:29 p.m.

MagnorCriol says... #20

You know, come to think of it, the Boros keyrune is pretty brutal with cipher as well, as long as you have a way to get it through. How would you like to get that cipher spell twice? =p

January 7, 2013 10:04 p.m.

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