Counterflux ruling
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Posted on Dec. 15, 2013, 1:05 a.m. by Three-Left-Feet
Counterflux for those who aren't 100% familiar
Now 1, the Overload seems a bit confusing to me...
I mean... P1: Threat -> P2: Mana Leak -> P1: Counterspell -> P2: Counterflux ... But he could just target the threat, and not even have to worry about paying an additional mana
I wouldn't mind somebody explaining how the overload could actually come in handy... Maybe P1: Lightning Bolt -> P2: Spell Pierce -> P1: Lightning Bolt -> P2: Counterflux overloaded to save his life?
I mean, it seems almost useless except for EXTREMELY specific scenarios
2, since this card Can't be countered, would a card like Misdirection actually affect it? I mean, if the only other target would be itself? Or can you make it target nothing? Or even make it target itself even though it's uncounterable?
I'm late-night brainstorming and now I'm curious..
Three-Left-Feet says... #3
Okay, I thought Misdirection would have resolved by then, making it impossible to target.. Well I'm glad I asked then :) learn something new every day!
Thank you
December 15, 2013 1:22 a.m.
The overload is useful against:
Storm spells like Dragonstorm
Spell-copy abilities such as Chandra, Pyromaster or Echo Mage
Mass-casts like the ultimate on Chandra Ablaze
Misdirection can be used to redirect a non-overloaded Counterflux onto the Misdirection as Epochalyptik said
December 15, 2013 1:32 a.m.
10vernothin says... #5
well, if you overload Counterflux , then it's uncounterable to Redirect spells because it has no target!
December 15, 2013 1:33 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
@cestdesconneries: A spell or ability is removed from the stack as the last step in its resolution. At the time Misdirection instructs you to choose a new target, Misdirection is still on the stack and is a legal choice.
December 15, 2013 1:34 a.m.
Three-Left-Feet says... #7
That makes complete sense. I guess today I learned two things, haha. Again, thank you.
December 15, 2013 1:36 a.m.
I was just educated on Counterflux recently and.. uhhhh... yea, its not that good of a card. Its a 3cmc uncounterable counterspell, the overload is worthless except in those rare instances or maybe as a sideboard card if you play a lot of people with storm decks it could help... other than that its a cool looking foil for cheap.
December 15, 2013 8:09 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Counterflux is better in EDH, where the uncounterable clause is more relevant and the chances of you countering multiple spells (due to spell copying) is higher. You can also find it with Sunforger .
December 15, 2013 8:52 a.m.
The overload IS useless except for specific situations, but those specific situations are so important, it's worth it. It's also UUR for an counter that will win counter wars.
December 15, 2013 9:04 a.m.
I LOVE Overload Counterflux! It's integral to my EDH Burn/Copyspell deck. Situation : I cast Fireball with 20 paid into X (I can send you a deck link if you are interested by this...) then it gets countered because who wouldn't? Except I ignore that and target Fireball with Reverberate to put another Fireball on top of the stack, which gets countered, then Twincast Fireball and that gets countered... Then I drop overloaded Counterflux and all of the sudden... I get all 3 20 damage fireballs back and I'm looking at that control deck guy...
March 17, 2015 11:08 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #12
@Techies: Please check the post dates before you comment. This thread is over two years old. It's generally a bad idea to respond to anything older than a month, especially if there's no significant new information to add.
Epochalyptik says... #2
The overload beats storm decks, and it helps in the rare instance an opponent casts multiple spells at once.
You can certainly change Counterflux 's target (assuming it wasn't overloaded; an overloaded Counterflux has no targets). If you use Misdirection to change Counterflux 's target to Misdirection , then Counterflux will fizzle.
Note that you can never change a target to an illegal object, and you can't just select "no target." Also, a spell or ability can never target itself.
December 15, 2013 1:16 a.m.