I've seen some people have slightly larger clear sleeves over their normal sleeves. Does anyone know what those are called? Secondly, does anyone know of a high quality sleeve that tends not to split or bend improperly at the corners?
Oh and I'm talking about Magic cards, not shirts. lol
Oh, so there isn't a shirt with slightly larger clear sleeves? I was going to buy it...
I recently got myself some Dragon Shield sleeves and they are amazing. Another one I hear people talk about it the Japanese Brand.
The larger clear sleeves you see people use are probably just penny sleeves.
yeah penny sleeves are the clear ones. $1 for 100 at any walmart.
The best sleeves (in my opinion) are ultra pro solid color opaque sleeves. The back side (and front depending on the kind you choose) have a sort of rough feel to them which greatly reduces the friction between cards. It makes it incredibly easy to shuffle quickly and draw without cards sticking together.
The downside is they have the worst new sleeve feel of any I've tried. Breathe wrong the first few games you play with them and your deck will fly across the room (exaggeration of course but it doesn't take much to knock a deck over).
They are also pretty cheap. depending on where you buy them you can find them between $2.50-$4 per pack of 50.
I haven't had the opportunity to try dragon sleeves though. I've heard good things but most of the good things are followed by something about the price lol.
KMC perfect size sleeves are like penny sleeves, but are higher quality and are usually used inside other sleeves.
As for general sleeves, I use KMC matte sleeves. Either those or Ultra Pro matte.
I got Dragon Shield sleeves for my first deck (about 2 years ago) and a few months back I started noticing that the front (clear) face was starting to peel away from the colored back. I've used the deck a lot, so it might be over-use, but they most certainly do not last forever. By contrast, I have some UltraPro sleeves that I got a bit after the Dragon Shield, and they're still fine. I'd go with UltraPro if you intend on not wanting to replace sleeves after a year or so of use.
Yeah, my first sleeves were Ultra Pro, and after only about a week like 5 of them had the clear front peeling away from the back. Dragon Shields ftw man
Best depends on what your looking for really.
I like ultrapro because they feel the best for the price. I pick my sleeves based on look and how easy they are to shuffle. The japanese sleeves people are talking about are smooth on both sides and stick together when trying to shuffle or draw which can lead to problems.
Ultra pro sleeves slide smoothly along each otherwith little to no friction. Meaning they shuffle easily.The opaque sleeves look just as good as any other with a slew of colors to choose from.
Now if you are talking about sleeves with designs on them, ultra pro has the best licensed designs. Max protection has the best sleeve with the largest design variety.
If your looking for lifespan (im not concerned with it since sleeves are gonna last a few months at least and an average of $3 a month is cheap in my opinion if you replace sleeves frequently.) then you'd wanna go with japanese sleeves. They are extremely strong and long lasting.
Oh yeah, and my Ultra Pro sleeves weren't completely opaque, so I had to use the flip-card proxies instead of the actual ones. :/
Ultra Pro has two types of sleeves. The 'rougher' sleeves have the holographic more to the right, where as the "better" Ultra Pros have the logo on the left hand side of the sleeve. The latter shuffle much easier and bend at the corners less often. I just wish I knew the name of this classification of sleeve. It's a bit glossier than the majority of Ultra Pro sleeves I've found.
I use four different brands:
Dragon Shields - These things are indestructible. I use them on one of my EDH decks and they used to be on one of my 60-card decks and they've survived all the shuffling with no threat of failure. Where I live, you can buy a 100-sleeve box (which actually includes a few extra, so around 104-105) for $10. However, they are a bit heavier/thicker than other sleeves (for good reason). This may make it more difficult to shuffle.
UltraPro - I use UP sleeves on most of my 60-card decks, and so far I haven't had a problem with them. They're light and flexible enough to survive some heavy play, but I know that some people have had them break after some hard riffle-shuffles and mash-shuffles. Near me, 50-packs of these are around $3-$5 depending on the store. UltraPro was also licensed by WotC to produce official Magic sleeves, deck boxes, binders, and other materials. These branded sleeves are sold in 80-packs, and are of decent quality. I've never particularly cared for them, since they seem to be difficult to shuffle (they feel sticky due to the interaction between the backing and clear front when sliding past each other).
KMC - A Japanese brand sleeve that I used to use on my Standard deck. KMCs are high-quality and available in a number of different finish styles including Metallic, Super, and Mat. They fit and shuffle well. Be warned, they slide like water when you first use them; I remember half of my deck slipping onto the table the first time I shuffled these. After that, though, they're fine. KMC also makes a series called Metal Rose, which I've never tried. I can get $80-packs of these for $8ish.
Fantasy Flight - I really like these sleeves. They have a matte finish and shuffle well. I use a set of these on my Terrageddon deck, which sometimes needs to shuffle multiple times per turn with the land-fetching, and they have held up. The only problem I've noticed is that they fray on the edges, but this hasn't endangered the structural qualities of the sleeve. It's mostly the edges of the two halves coming apart outside of the bond line. I find these for $3-4 per 50-pack.
Additionally, there are the cheap, clear "penny sleeves," named for their $1 per 100-pack price. I don't use these to sleeve decks, since they're prone to sliding around on the card and don't offer much protection. However, I see a lot of people double-sleeve their cards. They put a penny sleeve on the card upside-down, then sleeve that as they would a normal card. I would only advise the UltraPro penny sleeves (they cost the same), since they are of better quality. Knock-off brands tend to stick more and squeak while shuffling, making it difficult to use them fluidly.
The bending at the corners is something you'll have to accept with sleeves. It's going to happen with any sleeve you use.
As for splitting, I have had a few UltraPro sleeves split, but that was mostly due to the shuffling method I used.
I've been using the same silver Dragon Shield sleeves on my various FNM decks for a year and a half and, aside from the occasional crud that accumulates on the back-sides, they're like-new. Of course, it's really easy to keep your sleeves clean by using a play-mat. I'm just lazy and don't feel like dropping $18 on a giant mouse-pad.
I've never had any of my Dragon Shields split. The guy who said all of his did must've purchased a bad batch.
I've had to throw away a few simply due to the corners being too bent for tournament play, but that's just something you can't avoid with any brand or type of sleeve.
I use mainly ultra pro sleeves. They also recently released new card sized sleeves which are little smaller and fit the cards better. Keeps the cards in place and easier to shuffle, they run between $7-8 though. I personally like the mtg official sleeves also released by Ultra pro and I haven't found too much difficulty in shuffling though that may be due to my form of bridge shuffling. The normal ultra pro sleeves I have TONS of and normally do ok with them, but they do occasionally have slightly varying sizes so if you use a brand new pack of sleeves with an older pack of sleeves its possible that a few or your cards will be in noticeably smaller sleeves. That gets annoying.
I've had KMC "Super" sleeves for awhile now, and I've been very satisfied with them. I've also heard good things about Dragonshield sleeves. I would not reccomend Ultra Pro sleeves I bought them at first, and they seem to split, tear and break constantly.
i use ultra pro pro matte and am interested to see if dragon shield is betterone thing that i don't like about the pro mattes is it seems in the green and the orange you can see through them...the blue is my favorite and i cant see through those but still..plan to try dragon shield
i also use dragon shields but don't buy the white ones lol they get dirty, then people at tournaments yell at you for having a black dirt spot on the back of your cards and say that your playing with marked cards...ah such fond memories.