Archangel of Thune

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Posted on June 30, 2013, 3:39 p.m. by capriom85

So I am super excited for Archangel of Thune to drop with M14!!! I think she is a perfect replacement in just about all of my that run white for Restoration Angel . She is preordering at $13 right now, and I am for sure going to be running a playset. What is the best thing to do here? I don't usually buy cards, but with the lost of so many cards from my current decks...I will need to this time just for her. Think she will drop shortly after release in price or will she stay at $13 or go up? her now or wait?

sabrepaisan says... #2

Imo she will rise. Aristocrats is being played and im starting to see a little more orzhov being played. She also is excellent in selesnya and im seeing trostani rise now. Im personally going after other cards like the scavenging ooze promo and mutavaults, but if u like her then get her. I really do think that she'll rise in value

June 30, 2013 3:46 p.m.

capriom85 says... #3

I am thinking that she will also, but I just don't want to be the guy that drops $52 on the playset then see it go down to like $20 for the same set

June 30, 2013 3:52 p.m.

lockiew says... #4

I think it will follow the price of sublime archangel. Go up to around 20 for the first month and a half, before falling around 5 in a couple months.

June 30, 2013 4:28 p.m.

Everything depends on the Standard metagame here. She's not good in Legacy or Modern, so here price depends entirely on whether or not she sees Standard tournament-level play.

Cards that are extremely powerful in a vacuum (I'm looking at you, Duskmantle Seer ) sometimes don't find a home in Standard, and lose all of the hype they once had.

Other cards, like Deathrite Shaman , are much better outside of Standard and see a rise in price because of that. New Angel is not one of those cards.

June 30, 2013 4:36 p.m.

The fact that she costs five mana could really hurt her. At that slot, by the time she hits the field it is much more likely that she'll either be a win-more or an I-still-lose-now card.

June 30, 2013 4:39 p.m.

capriom85 says... #7

Oh man...she is a 5 drop! I was thinking this whole time she was 4!!! Stupid me, I must have just skimmed that portion of the card. She is going to be a 2 of at best in my BWR and maybe she will take the spot of my 5 drop for Bant, but I don't think she will be the powerhouse I was thinking of at 4 cmc. Damn...sad face

Now I'm left with a deliema....what's going to take the spot of Resto, bc this angel is more like an all white version of Blood Baron

June 30, 2013 5:20 p.m.

Slycne says... #8

If nothing else the price will be a little higher than expected because big flashy angels and lifegain are favorites among the casual market.

For standard, I don't expect to see it make a huge splash, though it will likely see some play. As a 5 drop, it puts her a little outside what most aggro decks want to be running, but her effect greatly favors decks that are filling the board with creatures.

Sure if you can untap with her she's going to inevitably win you the game, but you can say that about a lot of other creatures. If you're already in a favorable position to attack in with a bunch of lifelinkers or set-up with sac outlets to say Blood Artist , chances are you're already highly favored to win that match and Archangel of Thune doesn't change that much. Where as cards like Thundermaw Hellkite , Blood Baron of Vizkopa , Obzedat, Ghost Council , Sigarda, Host of Herons , Thragtusk and Zealous Conscripts all either protect themselves or have immediate board impact.

She does however play nicely with the new Fiendslayer Paladin, it's first strike lifelink triggering the +1/+1 counters ability before all your other creatures do damage.

June 30, 2013 5:31 p.m.

Morokai says... #9

Slycne a decent portion of those cards will also be unavailable within a few months. after Innistrad and M13 rotate out, there might be quite a few new opportunities for decks.

also, there is the combo with the Archangel and Spike Feeder in modern, which may see some use.

June 30, 2013 7:49 p.m.

Demarge says... #10

This core set has currently spoiled multiple good cards, if the buddy lands don't get reprinted it'll be likely that the product will be opened enough for the angel to drop to around $5, last core set the main reason why the good cards from it were overpriced was because no one really wanted to open it until after RTR was released, if different lands get printed they'll have to be opened.

June 30, 2013 8:37 p.m.

They aren't reprinting the buddy lands, but they also aren't printing a cycle of duals. There are currently two unspoiled nonbasic lands in M14. It's likely that Evolving Wilds or an equivalent is going to be one of them. The only money land in the set is Mutavault , which, admittedly, is going to cause people to open M14.

June 30, 2013 8:50 p.m.

Arachnarchist says... #12

I don't see the archangel doing much. The problem is that in a lot of cases she'll come down and get killed before she can have an effect. Sublime Archangel could at least pump attackers that turn. And Restoration Angel could blink something and have pseudo-haste (drop it on your opponents end step and attack on your turn). This has to stick around to really have an effect.

June 30, 2013 9:02 p.m.

capriom85 says... #13

This all make so much sense. I am seriously rethinking what I am going to look for when my deck loses Restos and such. I haven't paid a great deal of attention to the spoils so far, so I'll go dredge through those tonight and start rethinking my strategy. Will 3 color decks still be viable post rotation without buddy lands? They will undoubtedly be a slower breed

June 30, 2013 10:14 p.m.

Krayhaft says... #14

In standard, Archangel of Thune's biggest, biggest weakness is that she's a fatty with no ETB effect. That high in the curve almost every creature that's being run does something when it ETB's. Archangel represents a large value investment that can easily be taken away. It's likely to drop, unless someone exploits an obscure combo in standard.

June 30, 2013 10:17 p.m.

Morokai says... #15

capriom85 they likely will be in my opinion, though they might need alternate sources of mana fixing. guildgates, Realmwright , and Chromatic Lantern start looking much more appealing when half of the best color fixing goes away.

June 30, 2013 10:26 p.m.

capriom85 says... #16

very true...I am regretting trading away all my Lanterns right now, Morokai. I can easily pick some more up, though, through trading. Things are simpler for me with 2 colors, but I love running Bant and I am really liking WBR right now. Losing Farseek is going effect Bant and Jund in such a bad way it makes me consider going back to my g/w agro, which most of the cards I used will not be rotating or have a much more impressive replacement that has come about recently.

June 30, 2013 10:42 p.m.

Arachnarchist says... #17

There will be 3+ color decks as long as ravnica is standard. The shocks alone provide plenty of fixing especially along side, Farseek , and people will play the gates if necessary. Pro Tour Dragon's Maze showed us that.

Besides, I would bet a playset of Jace, the Mind Sculptor s that we will see a new cycle of dual lands in Theros. Every block since The original Ravnica has had a cycle of dual lands. And especially with no Core set duals, we will see a new cycle.

July 3, 2013 10:10 p.m.

capriom85 says... #18

I'm hoping bc I have never had results as good as when I have been playing Bant and I love what I am seeing from RWB lately

July 4, 2013 12:37 a.m.

GreatSword says... #19

Based on the set numbers of M14, a lot of mana fixing we currently have won't be reprinted. We're going to be losing the M10 dual lands (Rootbound Crag , etc), and Farseek .

It's likely that we'll get something more exciting in Theros.

July 4, 2013 1:41 a.m.

capriom85 says... #20

crossing fingers now

July 4, 2013 1:45 a.m.

Morokai says... #21

Judging by what wizards has been doing lately, I think the mana fixing in theros might come in the form of a cycle of legendary lands. They really seem like they are pushing for a legend based block to me, so legendary lands would make sense (perhaps they would be something along the lines of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth ?). They had been talking about what they could do with legendary lands under the new rule, along with saying they had been afraid to print more of them before (no legendary lands since kamigawa aside from Eye of Ugin )

July 4, 2013 1:51 a.m.

DavidLechuga says... #22

July 10, 2013 5:22 p.m.

pip74205 says... #23

She will be great in Soul Sisters. I shall call her, Soul Mom.

July 10, 2013 5:35 p.m.

Morokai says... #24

That is what the person had said int heir article, may have been mistaken about what they truly meant then. I thought that the time spiral block came before kamigawa.

July 10, 2013 7:19 p.m.

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