Arcane Adaptation + Cartouche = Awesome?

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Posted on Sept. 8, 2017, 4:52 p.m. by Shwang

Hey guys... so if you played and named "Cartouche" would that work? Because that would be the best thing... ever. Trial of Ambition... play a creature... Trial of Ambition... etc.

Lame_Duck says... #2

"Cartouche" isn't a creature type so you can't name it with Arcane Adaptation.

September 8, 2017 4:56 p.m.

Shwang says... #3

Can't you just name whatever you want? That's what I always thought. So I can't say Microwave for the creature type since there aren't any of them in the game?

September 8, 2017 4:59 p.m.

smackjack says... #4

Shwang Choose a creature type. You can only choose from available options. If its not a creature type it cant be chosen.

September 8, 2017 5:29 p.m. Edited.

Shwang says... #5

I see what you're saying. The word 'choose' indicates that you can't make one up, but must choose from available creature types. But how do you know what those are? It's obviously not just ones on the battlefield. Maybe ones that are in the meta? If I were playing Standard, could I choose Ape because it has been made before, even though it's not in Standard?

September 8, 2017 5:45 p.m.

smackjack says... #6

Shwang I think i was wrong in my previous comment, you can choose anything you want. Naming "cartouche" wont do what you want tho, as it would only effect the creature type "cartouche", not the enchantment type.

September 8, 2017 5:54 p.m.

Shwang says... #7

But the trials just say "When a Cartouche enters....", so I don't get why it wouldn't work. Just curious :)

September 8, 2017 5:59 p.m.

smackjack says... #8

Shwang I get whats confusing you :). The thing is that the way Arcane Adaption is worded it only counts creature types. Enchantments doesn't have a creature type. It says "... the same is true for creature spells..." which excludes the cartouche cycle as they are enchantment spells.

September 8, 2017 6:05 p.m.

Lame_Duck says... #9

No, you were correct initially, smackjack; you can only choose existing creature types. The Gatherer rulings for other cards that require you to choose a creature type such as Cavern of Souls make it explicit: "3/14/2017 You must choose an existing creature type, such as Zombie or Warrior. Card types such as artifact cant be chosen."

And, Shwang, you can choose any creature type in Magic, regardless of whether there any cards with that type legal in the format. The creature types are actually explicitly listed in one of the rules:

It's kind of a long list

205.3m Creatures and tribals share their lists of subtypes; these subtypes are called creature types. The creature types are Advisor, Aetherborn, Ally, Angel, Antelope, Ape, Archer, Archon, Artificer, Assassin, Assembly-Worker, Atog, Aurochs, Avatar, Badger, Barbarian, Basilisk, Bat, Bear, Beast, Beeble, Berserker, Bird, Blinkmoth, Boar, Bringer, Brushwagg, Camarid, Camel, Caribou, Carrier, Cat, Centaur, Cephalid, Chimera, Citizen, Cleric, Cockatrice, Construct, Coward, Crab, Crocodile, Cyclops, Dauthi, Demon, Deserter, Devil, Djinn, Dragon, Drake, Dreadnought, Drone, Druid, Dryad, Dwarf, Efreet, Elder, Eldrazi, Elemental, Elephant, Elf, Elk, Eye, Faerie, Ferret, Fish, Flagbearer, Fox, Frog, Fungus, Gargoyle, Germ, Giant, Gnome, Goat, Goblin, God, Golem, Gorgon, Graveborn, Gremlin, Griffin, Hag, Harpy, Hellion, Hippo, Hippogriff, Homarid, Homunculus, Horror, Horse, Hound, Human, Hydra, Hyena, Illusion, Imp, Incarnation, Insect, Jackal, Jellyfish, Juggernaut, Kavu, Kirin, Kithkin, Knight, Kobold, Kor, Kraken, Lamia, Lammasu, Leech, Leviathan, Lhurgoyf, Licid, Lizard, Manticore, Masticore, Mercenary, Merfolk, Metathran, Minion, Minotaur, Mole, Monger, Mongoose, Monk, Monkey, Moonfolk, Mutant, Myr, Mystic, Naga, Nautilus, Nephilim, Nightmare, Nightstalker, Ninja, Noggle, Nomad, Nymph, Octopus, Ogre, Ooze, Orb, Orc, Orgg, Ouphe, Ox, Oyster, Pegasus, Pentavite, Pest, Phelddagrif, Phoenix, Pilot, Pincher, Pirate, Plant, Praetor, Prism, Processor, Rabbit, Rat, Rebel, Reflection, Rhino, Rigger, Rogue, Sable, Salamander, Samurai, Sand, Saproling, Satyr, Scarecrow, Scion, Scorpion, Scout, Serf, Serpent, Servo, Shade, Shaman, Shapeshifter, Sheep, Siren, Skeleton, Slith, Sliver, Slug, Snake, Soldier, Soltari, Spawn, Specter, Spellshaper, Sphinx, Spider, Spike, Spirit, Splinter, Sponge, Squid, Squirrel, Starfish, Surrakar, Survivor, Tetravite, Thalakos, Thopter, Thrull, Treefolk, Triskelavite, Troll, Turtle, Unicorn, Vampire, Vedalken, Viashino, Volver, Wall, Warrior, Weird, Werewolf, Whale, Wizard, Wolf, Wolverine, Wombat, Worm, Wraith, Wurm, Yeti, Zombie, and Zubera.

September 8, 2017 6:22 p.m.

smackjack says... #10

Lame_Duck Is it really against the rules to name "Oklahoma" when playing Cavern? I do it all the time against creatureless decks :). And naming Oklahoma would make Mirror Entity uncounterable?

September 8, 2017 6:30 p.m.

Lame_Duck says... #11

Yeah, that's not a legal choice, unfortunately, although I think you'll have a hard time finding an opponent who will call a judge on you for that one.

September 8, 2017 8:27 p.m.

smackjack says... #12

Lame_Duck Interesting. Also, Oklahoma should be a creature type, like "Oklahoma Homunculus".

Speaking of naming things: There was one example of how vague you can be when naming a card with Phyrexian Revoker. According to the judge "that 3 mana black planeswalker bitch" is enough to name Liliana of the Veil :). Ever since I heard that, that what i say when i want to revoke lili :)

September 8, 2017 8:37 p.m.

OneItsStarted says... #13

smackjack If you want to just make your changeling uncountable you could always name Rigger as your creature type.

September 9, 2017 2:02 p.m.

Shwang says... #14

Thanks for the info guys. I didn't know you had to choose one from a list!

September 11, 2017 9:32 a.m.