What Magic:Origins cards should I speculate on?
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Posted on July 7, 2015, 8:32 p.m. by KillDatBUG
I'm trying to decide what I should buy into before the pre-release rolls around. Does anyone have any ideas?
I think if anything alot are overhyped...by alot I mean all of them and I dont personally see alot of sleepers but thats just me
July 7, 2015 8:37 p.m.
I have to agree with EmblemMan. It seems to me like most of the prices are inflated for the preorders. I'd hold on and wait for a week or two and see what drops, then reevaluate at that point.
July 7, 2015 8:40 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #5
Spec on Kytheon because he's only like 18$, but he's better than that.
July 7, 2015 8:42 p.m.
Shaman of the Pack. Will see play across multiple formats.
July 7, 2015 8:53 p.m.
omnipotato says... #7
Only $18? $20 is the cap for most standard-legal cards. Deathmist Raptor is $18 and he's the most-played mythic in standard right now.
July 7, 2015 8:54 p.m.
I hear Island is a card played in all formats.
In all seriousness, you might want to invest in the Flip-walkers because they'll be casual superstars long after they rotate out of Standard.
July 7, 2015 9 p.m.
Archangel of Tithes also seems to me like a really good card in Modern D&T and Hatebears, so it could be a multi-format thing. Otherwise it's a really solid card that will see Standard play as long as it's in.
July 7, 2015 9:15 p.m.
Languish will be played in control decks as a way to put aggro on a "kill me in 4 turns or be in trouble". Even midrange decks will have a hard time handling it. Abzan only ritually plays one card that outright survives it in the form of Siege Rhino but it also kills even a monstrous Fleecemane Lion.
Just my thoughts. I also agree with JWiley129 about the transform walkers. Even if they don't see constructed play, they will be a grab for ALOT of people for things like tiny leaders and casual decks (myself included lol)
July 7, 2015 10:25 p.m.
slovakattack says... #12
vault: Shaman of the pack is difficult due to the fact that it's an uncommon. You generally won't get terrific returns on those as a spec- if you do, you need to buy up an obscene quantity.
Rares are generally where the money's at. Specifically ones like Dig Through Time, which can be 50 cents before shooting up to 9 bucks.
July 8, 2015 12:13 a.m.
NoPantsParade says... #13
Evolutionary Leap seems like a good EDH card. I know I'm putting it into my EDH deck along with Survival of the Fittest.
July 8, 2015 12:20 a.m.
slovakattack says... #14
The comments I see comparing Evolutionary Leap to Survival of the Fittest are actually pretty interesting, in that I feel like a lot of people mistake what Survival of the Fittest is all about.
It's basically the difference between grabbing value and grabbing combo pieces. Evolutionary leap can be obscene in certain decks, as saccing in many cases is an easier condition to activate than discard, but the lack of selection won't ever really bring it above a value card imo. (though not a bad one.)
I think comparing the two cards is a mistake, similar though they are.
July 8, 2015 12:25 a.m.
NoPantsParade says... #15
I will have it in my Karrthus deck as a sac outlet to prevent clone effects and losing my dragons while still getting a dragon, Genesis, or Anger out of it. And the fact that my win condition is Living Death and Patriarch's Bidding, it helps accelerate the deck a little. But I am aware that the two serve different purposes. I still think Survival is the optimal choice, but Leap is still a functional budget alternative, I believe.
July 8, 2015 12:31 a.m.
Molten Vortex is interesting compared to Seismic Assault, which sees fringe play. Generally you're not discarding a ton of lands in one turn so paying over several turns but getting it out sooner might be worth it. Maybe the dream turn 1 fetch->Molten Vortex->turn 2 Life from the Loam (possible second fetch?). I really like the card but don't see it fetching any high prices.
July 8, 2015 2:08 a.m.
The only cards I might speculate on are Dark Petition and disciple of the rings. The first is at the very an EDH instant staple. The second is the sleepiest of sleepers. Betting on mythics is usually a lot better than betting on rares (see Ojutai and Raptor, they were both around 10 at preorder).
July 8, 2015 3 a.m.
bigguy99 I actually love the vortex in a build like 8rack because once you reach 3 lands you don't need anymore and if you have the discard lock you don't need to keep retracing ravens crime instead just pitch it to vortex and boom easy 2 damage. Helps to kill them faster before they top deck a way out. Dakmor Salvage + Molten Vortex I can see it now.
July 8, 2015 3:54 a.m.
slovakattack says... #19
Boza: I just can't see Disciple of the Ring being that good with what a massive drawback she has. Is Ojutai Exemplars and EDH staple? He has very arguably much less of a drawback.
I do actually very much agree with you regarding Dark Petition. If that thing falls to a dollar rare, I'm picking a bunch up.
July 8, 2015 9:06 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #20
I would spec on that 2 mana uncommon counter with spell mastery on it. You'll have to buy and unload massive quantities to make it worth while but it's what has the most potential for profit IMO.
New Liliana will probably rise for a short while...
July 8, 2015 12:16 p.m.
TheGreatLiar says... #21
slovakattack: i disagree with you on Disciple of the Ring. Everything she does is crazy useful. The uncounterable spell pierce on a stick is insane, and protects all your creatures (plus slows down collected company decks which is a problematic card for control decks). Self-pump to survive languish or to push through damage. Untap ojutai (who is on color). Tap problem creatures from your opponent until you find an answer. All for the price of exiling am instant or sorcery from your graveyard. Any deck running disciple will have plenty of those by the turn 6. In testing so far, i love this card. I think $4/each is a steal.
July 9, 2015 5:14 p.m.
slovakattack says... #22
But how are you going to run it effectively with Dig through time, the best card advantage tool in the format?
July 9, 2015 5:43 p.m.
TheGreatLiar says... #23
First, the two cards want to devour your graveyard at different points in the game. DTT uses your graveyard while trying to stabilize and get to the end game. Disciple is the end game, and eats your graveyard to keep the board stabilized (plus you need less fuel for DTT when you have at least 5 lands to cast disciple).
Second, there are a lot of lands in the graveyard in standard right now. There's also creatures that end up there. You don't necessarily sacrifice early or cheap DTTs by eating a few instants or sorceries.
Third, what about tasigur? Late game, you know the Thoughtseize in your graveyard is useless, and tasigur activation would only get back the cards you don't want. Now you have a cheaper, repeatable (and situationally better) way to increase your chances of getting something good out of the activation.
July 9, 2015 6:15 p.m.
slovakattack says... #24
From what I know about standard, most U/B control decks don't use him much. Either way, that's comparing apples and oranges. Tasigur's ability really takes a back seat to his efficiency as a board threat. If you cast him for 5, he isn't really worth it.
It isn't really about differing points in the game as much as it is about total graveyard volume. I'm not saying the card is bad, I'm just not sure it has a place.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Please keep economics discussions in the Economics forum. The "speculation" part of SRS refers to speculation about unreleased products or future WOTC decisions, not market speculation.
Moved.
July 7, 2015 8:34 p.m.