Theros Money Cards

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Posted on Sept. 9, 2013, 2:09 a.m. by The Doctor

Self explanatory. What do you think the money cards are going to be, aside from the obvious Thoughtseize ?

Epochalyptik says... #1

Moved to Economics.

September 9, 2013 2:19 a.m.

Spootyone says... #2

I'm hoping sylvan caryatid goes up a little bit...but I think that's simply because I pre-ordered a full set lol.

I could foresee stormbreath dragon going up quite a bit at least for the first few weeks or so. Underworld cerberus is also pretty insane. The walkers will obviously start out pretty high. I feel elspeth could maybe drop a little but I feel xenagos will rise.

September 9, 2013 2:21 a.m.

ItchiUchiha117 says... #3

Xenagos, definitely. Probably Nykthos, as well. I can see Purphoros and his hammer fetching a pretty penny, along with Thassa and Erebos. Nylea and her bow seem a little too specialized and I'll need to see Heliod's weapon before I pass judgement there. Other than that, Medomai the Ageless and Hero's Downfall will likely be chased after for quite some time.

September 9, 2013 2:27 a.m.

atreyujames says... #4

well you can see the Spear of Heliod here

September 9, 2013 3:12 a.m.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeew, The old Thoughtseize took quite a hit. The new one is still starting as a $30 card though.

September 9, 2013 7:37 a.m.

One or two of the God cards will definitely rise in price as the other two fall in price. I imagine they'll be much like the Titans (Primeval Titan vs Frost Titan ) in that regard.

Thoughtseize will hold its value, if not right away then post-rotation. Reprint or not, it's still an every-format staple.

[ [Some rare nobody noticed yet] ] will become the new Hellrider or Boros Reckoner . Completely unappreciated dollar rare that will spike to $10 overnight. Interestingly enough, this rare is often spoiled in the "spoiler dump" one week before prerelease.

[ [Almost every other card spoiled so far] ] will drop in price, as the prerelease hype currently overpowers its usefulness. I'm calling it for Medomai, the Ageless, specifically.

September 9, 2013 8:24 a.m.

dream_cast says... #7

Surely all you need to do with Medomai is give it some Progenitor Mimic and Clone love.

Have one attack each turn, and you can repeatedly grant additional turns?

Unless I am mistaken?

September 9, 2013 9:15 a.m.

Devonin says... #8

Each one says that itself can't attack during extra turns. The game knows it's an extra turn even if a new copy of the creature only came into play during the extra turn.

Also it's Legendary, so when you made a mimic copy, you'd have to choose one of them to go to the graveyard, and if you kept the one that hadn't attacked yet, you'd lose the mimic.

September 9, 2013 9:23 a.m.

Putrefy says... #9

Stormbreath Dragon will be the new Thundermaw Hellkite and will therefore see much play. And given it is mythic I think it will be a money card aswell.

September 9, 2013 9:24 a.m.

dream_cast says... #10

Alright, but I'm sure it's already been discussed that you can get three to four turns out of him with double strike and/or Strionic Resonator combos.

September 9, 2013 9:27 a.m.

dream_cast says... #11

I thought Karametra's Acolyte might be more in the $2-3 range too. As an uncommon it looks like it could have some serious mana ramping utility.

September 9, 2013 9:29 a.m.

Apoptosis says... #12

Blue and Red gods. Elspeth and the G/R walker. The new legendary land.

September 9, 2013 11:45 a.m.

fzebib says... #13

Can you explain why the new legendary land will be worth more money? Do you think it will jump more than it is currently?

September 9, 2013 3:21 p.m.

Apoptosis says... #14

They will break it in Legacy and Modern, the same way Gaea's Cradle is broken.

September 9, 2013 3:30 p.m.

fzebib says... #15

So, you think its definitely worth picking up the 4 lands now since they are cheaper?

September 9, 2013 4:16 p.m.

Rayenous says... #16

When new lands are printed, it's always a good idea to try to get them. (at cheapest available price)

Mana bases are usually one of the more difficult/sought after cards as a "barrier to entry" for any format. Though I don't think these are ever going to be extremely high valued cards, a free scry attach to mana fixing land is nothing to be sneezed at.

If you think there's a chance you may want them in the future, best to get them now.

September 9, 2013 4:21 p.m.

Rayenous says... #17

oh... you were asking about the Legendary.

Yes! For the same reasons... but with a "there is a chance they may gain value".

September 9, 2013 4:22 p.m.

SharuumNyan says... #18

Psychic Intrusion is a dollar rare right now. That's going to go up, probably to around $2/3 at least. That's an amazing card.

September 9, 2013 5:08 p.m.

The Doctor says... #19

I don't think so. It's a 5 drop, that's why.

September 9, 2013 7:04 p.m.

SharuumNyan says... #20

Normally I would say being a 5 drop is a bad thing, but not so much with Theros. The game is going to slow down a lot, and the best stuff isn't going to be in the graveyard until turn 6 or 7 anyway.

September 9, 2013 7:26 p.m.

Boroski says... #21

do you guys think Xenagos will rise over $40?

September 24, 2013 2:57 p.m.

The Doctor says... #22

Not right now, no.

September 24, 2013 2:59 p.m.

Probably not ever unless something drastic happens. Again, it's not like he's Liliana of the Veil or Jace, the Mind Sculptor .

September 24, 2013 3:08 p.m.

He's a strong card, but he only fits in one real deck, and that deck might not win tournaments. If it does, expect his price to hit $50 for at least a while. I call it Huntmaster Syndrome.

September 24, 2013 3:35 p.m.

strateupjee says... #25

Xenagos will only go up if Naya/Gruul start winning again, though losing hellrider in Gruul was a huge hit, so I don't know if they will be able to maintain the speed they were running at before, however, if Xenagos goes up, you bet your ass his partner in crime Domri will too

September 24, 2013 11:57 p.m.

TrollNtrample says... #26

Nighthowler is my pick to be the card that will later skyrocket. Especially since you can bestow him for only 4 mana. Once he's used right with that bestow, or maybe bestow one onto another Nighthowler, I can see his value increasing.

September 25, 2013 4:29 p.m.

Devonin says... #27

Nighthowler is at best a dollar rare. I suppose it if becomes integral to some deck whose composition I can't imagine, it could go to 2 or 3.

September 25, 2013 4:51 p.m.

I think Lhurgoyf was a $20 card or something close way back in the day, but I really just don't see Nighthowler being that relevant in Standard, or really any other format. There's just too many other things to do with creatures in your yard or your opponent's yard and more effective ways to use them (scavenge, Scavenging Ooze , Deathrite Shaman , Whip of Erebos , Rescue from the Underworld )

September 25, 2013 4:52 p.m.

KrazyCaley says... #29

Hero's Downfall shows up as a $5 rare right now, but I have to think it's more expensive than that.

I'm not sure Psychic Intrusion is good at all though.

September 25, 2013 4:57 p.m.

I don't think Hero's Downfall will climb much more, it'll probably drop, its cousin, Dreadbore is currently going for right around $2. It's a Murder that can kill planeswalkers, but the priority will still be the same as Dreadbore when targeting them. Whoopty do. If it had something dumb like split second, then it would be a fantastically expensive card. Remember, rarity really only denotes the effect the card will have on the Limited format..... hence why Doom Blade was moved up to Uncommon.

September 25, 2013 5:06 p.m.

And, of course, the M12 version of Doom Blade appears. It's actually an Uncommon in M14.

September 25, 2013 5:08 p.m.

MrKnify says... #32

i pulled the mythic Ashen Rider nice card!

September 25, 2013 11:34 p.m.

Bobgalarneau says... #33

I realy like Ashen Rider too, but i don't think it will see play outside of EDH and casual... I can see it stabilize near Angel of Despair 's value... Probably lower...

September 25, 2013 11:48 p.m.

Flabbergasted says... #35

Purphoros is going to drop in price to about $8, same with Elspeth, Xenagos, and Medomia.Stormbreath is going to go up just like thundermaw did, thoughtseize will stay where it is or raise a little. Thassa is going to jump in price because of its versatility.t

September 26, 2013 2:50 a.m.

The Doctor says... #36

Purphoros is NOT going to drop to $8 so long as he is standard legal.

September 26, 2013 3:04 a.m.

Putrefy says... #37

Purphoros, God of the Forge is not as good as many people believe him to be. 10$ seems reasonable but not 30$ or more.

September 26, 2013 3:18 a.m.

Right around $8-$10 is a reasonable price for him...... it's not like he's really viable outside of Standard.

September 26, 2013 7:11 a.m.

Flabbergasted says... #39

He won't even be a really strong card in standard people are saying he's amazing because of Guttersnipe , Young Pyromancer , and Molten Birth . That's a 4 card combo and only deals 8 damage the Jace, Memory Adept and dimir guildmage combe dealt more, was only 2 cards and didn't once see major tournament play. So how will this be better

September 26, 2013 11:01 a.m.

Apoptosis says... #40

Flabbergasted you are missing many other possibilities. Purphoros, God of the Forge has synergies with a lot of cards other than Young Pyromancer and Molten Birth . Here is a list of examples:

  1. Elspeth, Sun's Champion or Assemble the Legion , obvious and deadly in the right deck. This is where he'll be tried first, most likely in control decks. It might not be effective until the opposing scry lands are released but it will be tried.
  2. AEtherling , Ghost Dad, now not only do these pain in the ass to kill threats hurt, but there is a natural synergy. Again for control and may not see it until all the scry lands are available, but will get a hard look.
  3. Any Rakdos, Boros, or Gruul aggro deck, when these decks stall they have a hard time finishing a game because their draws lose value to other decks, now draws past T6 can be enough to put the game away. I think this is where Purphoros, God of the Forge will shine first and will be at least a 2x in any of these decks as it gives any aggro deck sustainability beyond T5, which will translate into more consistent wins.
  4. Other synergies Precinct Captain , Legion's Initiative get another look in Boros aggro, now using the initiative might just be the enough to finish the game. This is where I will probably try him first (Boros aggro).

I'm sure there are more, but this is just a sample. There will be more ways to break him. I see him staying at $20 for some time until his effectiveness in practice versus in theory can be worked out.

September 26, 2013 11:18 a.m.

Flabbergasted says... #41

You do make a good point, I do agree with the idea of Legion's Initiative with him but I do not feel Elspeth, Sun's Champion will be really played in standard at all she is a 6 drop with a +1 that by that time is usually inefective, she is trying too hard to be Gideon Jura . By turn 6 you want to be dropping a game changing card she doesn't have that effect. But who am I to tell the future only the Gods will know ;p

September 26, 2013 1:14 p.m.

Apoptosis says... #42

Flabbergasted, presumably Purphoros, God of the Forge is already in play when Elspeth, Sun's Champion hits on T6. You can then A.) drop 3 blockers and deal 6 damage to your opponent or B.) Wrath all creatures greater then 4 power. The former helps against aggro and smashes face, the latter helps stabilize. Elspeth, Sun's Champion will be heavily played by control players, who routinely look to go past T6. Is she a good fit for aggro? not nearly as much, but she probably has a place in Boros or Naya midrange, and possibly in a Naya Superfriends deck (Elspeth, Sun's Champion , Garruk, Caller of Beasts , Xenagos, The Reveler , and Domri Rade ), which takes advantage of Purphoros, God of the Forge . Hell, I want to throw that together now.

September 26, 2013 3:30 p.m.

The Doctor says... #43

My friend is running esper control and she is a GREAT help to him.

September 26, 2013 5:39 p.m.

RJ_Rozzman says... #44

September 26, 2013 8:16 p.m.

Rayenous says... #45

@Flabbergasted

Elspeth, Sun's Champion is very powerful. Stating that she is not "game changing" is just a horribly inaccurate statement... her -3 is extremely powerful, and completely game changing.

Her +1 is one of the best out there... 3 creatures each turn. There are only 2 PW's which have a "first level + ability" that might be as good as hers. Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (at 8CMC), and arguably Tamiyo, the Moon Sage (at 5CMC)... and even those are often situational. (Other good +'s are even more situational or have to be completely "built around", such as Venser, the Sojourner )

Note also that (aside from evasion) if you can't destroy things with her -3, her +1 creates enough blockers to either keep her alive, or even kill anything that is attacking.

I have a concept deck with her as a win-con... note the term concept, it's no where near a 'competitive' deck. However, when play testing, she can drop on T4, wipe their board if needed, leave your board intact and start pumping out a swarm. - Greek Defence - Selesnya Version

September 26, 2013 8:46 p.m.

What you really need to combo Puphorous or whateverthehellhis name is with is Legion's Initiative . You're welcome.

September 26, 2013 9:34 p.m.

sabrepaisan says... #47

I've been trying to put together a modern storm deck with purphorose and young pyromaster. It's actually kind of a cool concept, but still in the drafting stages right now. But Elspeth is better than most people think. I think Ashiok will rise in price a bit too I think.

September 26, 2013 9:50 p.m.

TheLameSauce says... #48

Cracked a Stormbreath Dragon , two Anger of the Gods and a foil Temple of Mystery at the prerelease last week. Quite pleased with the value :)

September 27, 2013 4:40 p.m.

MrKnify says... #49

pulled 2 Sylvan Caryatid on the pre-release

September 27, 2013 8:29 p.m.

Raguto says... #50

Yeah, but out of all these cards you guys have listed which ones are really going to go above 20 dollars? I see there are a few that are already border $20 dollars such as>

Excluding Elspeth, Sun's Champion she is at $30.00

Purphoros, God of the Forge - $19.99

Xenagos, The Reveler - $19.95

Domri Rade - $ 23.00 - I don't know if Domri Rade will be going up.

Thoughtseize - $19.99

Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - About $17.00

So judging these prices do you think it's fair to say that they won't be going up unless they see tournament play? if not then they should drop in price?

Next category I suppose would be under $15 currently>

Thassa, God of the Sea - $14.99

Heliod, God of the Sun - $9.49

Erebos, God of the Dead - $9.25

Fleecemane Lion - 8.00 - Fleecemane Lion seems to be going up pretty darn well.

Nylea, God of the Hunt - $7.50

I can't really judge for myself whether or not any of these are going to jump up a whole lot I mean look at their prices currently, I can't tell if it's inflated.

That's it for that list now cards under $5 dollars>

Sylvan Caryatid - $4.99

Hero's Downfall - $4.49

Anger of the Gods - $4.00

Mistcutter Hydra - $2.89

Whip of Erebos - $2.59

Boon Satyr - $2.24

Reaper of the Wilds - $1.75

Gift of Immortality - $1.00

Nighthowler - $0.49

I would be surprised if any of the ones in this list is undervalued, but that's just my opinon.

September 28, 2013 10:04 a.m.

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