Should I pick up any Utter End yet?
Economics forum
Posted on Sept. 11, 2014, 11:23 a.m. by TheAnnihilator
They're at about $5 each on ebay, and I will need them post-rotation. Do you think they'll be going up, going down, or staying at about $5?
The fact that it's two color means it won't be played in nearly as many decks. It might go up a little, but not too much. If you plan on buying any product, I'd wait to see what you pull before you buy any singles.
September 11, 2014 12:06 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #4
I mean, I'll probably go the prerelease, as it's kindof a tradition between me and my friends (and hopefully I'll get some fetches, clan charms, clan lands, and maybe some of the upgraded guildgates). I usually just buy singles, though, since I can't buy booster boxes and never buy packs, or draft, etc.
September 11, 2014 12:15 p.m.
I would just grab them now, I don't see it changing an awful lot, but it depends on the viability of black/white standard decks post rotation.
September 11, 2014 1 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #6
Utter End looks like a $1-$3 card, seems like a definite wait and buy/trade.
September 11, 2014 2:50 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #7
Hmm, lots of division about where this card is headed...
@Rasta_Viking29 --- Why do you think this card'll go down?
@Unforgivn_II --- Do you think this card has potential to go up like Hero's Downfall
did? How come?
@vishnarg and Fulcrum --- Why do you guys say this card won't see any drastic price changes?
September 11, 2014 8:32 p.m.
I'm a bit skeptical of Utter End . Four mana (with two specific symbols) is a pretty significant price for spot removal. I don't see anyone cutting any Hero's Downfall for this. It might fit best into the sideboard.
September 11, 2014 8:57 p.m.
It will have limited standard play because it's a two color card. It can't be played as much as Hero's Downfall or Banishing Light.
September 11, 2014 8:58 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #10
@jr92_2000 Why not run both? The Orzhov colors can kill any nonland permanent very easily with the cards it has access to post-rotation (as of right now).
September 11, 2014 8:59 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #11
@Fulcrum --- Very true, but does it not also depend on how much play its color see? I could see any deck with both 
and 
running it, certainly Abzan, Mardu (midrange-control), and straight Orzhov at least, if not some kind of Esper deck eventually.
September 11, 2014 9:03 p.m.
At four mana, I'm still skeptical of this card. For that much of an investment into two colors, I want a board wipe or something that sets up a two-for-one...something that helps me stabilize. This thing shares the same spot on the mana curve as Polukranos, World Eater , Sorin, Solemn Visitor (the main contender), Erebos, God of the Dead , etc.
Gild fits much of the same role, but sees almost no play for the same reason of fighting over the four-drop slot in most decks.
I would like Utter End a lot more if you could exile lands. But too many scrubs complain about land destruction, so R&D is less inclined to print effective cards to do that.
September 11, 2014 9:41 p.m.
This can eliminate each of those threats you mentioned. Tons of decks will love the versatility of being able to exile Scuttling Doom Engine or Chasm Skulker or Purphoros, God of the Forge or an opposing ascendency or planeswalker.
It hits a lot of targets and that's really important when investing in a removal spell. Midrange can use it as a reliable means to take out whatever is stopping their fatties. Long-range control will be able to use it as a catch-all removal spell.
It is an investment mana-wise but it is extremely reliable removal.
September 11, 2014 10:01 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #14
I mean, it is any nonland permanent, its exile, and its an instant. It requires two colors, which is the only knock against it. Otherwise, it is much much better (one more mana not withstanding)
September 11, 2014 10:03 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #15
It's inefficient and 2 colors. By being it limits the decks that can cast it. Compare it to many decks can run Hero's Downfall
and you can see the difference in demand. Costing 4 mana to remove one thing is expensive. You'll never break serve and there are cheaper ways to do what it does in it's colors. Around 90% of the time it will be cast to do a job Downfall could. Is that 10% worth an extra ? Maybe once in a while. Seems like a 1-2 of for decks that want it, lowers it's demand more.
It is powerful and versatile but that's not enough to make it expensive.
September 11, 2014 10:08 p.m.
I think that Utter End will go up in price. here is why have you seen the price of Vindicate ? it is in the same colors and only cost 1 more to Exile not Destroy. Exile is very powerful. you can argue that Hero's Downfall is also limited in what decks it can be in because it cost double black. I could see this card going up to the 7-10 dollar range. take a look at Courser of Kruphix when it first came out it was like a dollar to 2 dollar rare. now it is at $16.
Is this going to be a 20 dollar rare. no but i could see it being in the 7-10 range when all is said and done.
September 12, 2014 12:45 a.m.
@Emarean: Vindicate hits lands. You can go Deathrite Shaman or Birds of Paradise turn one into turn two Vindicate . That's why Vindicate is such a powerful card.
September 12, 2014 1:04 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #18
It's a toss-up for me between that and Banishing Light . Instant speed, and un-reversable, but also much more difficult to cast.
I think it will stay about where it is, maybe tick upwards to about 6, but I can't see it hitting double-digits.
September 12, 2014 7:08 a.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #19
Well, I saw an interesting post in a different forum that was referencing all of the playable removal we have, and a person made a good point: All of the playable removal that we have is mana intensive, like Hero's Downfall , Bile Blight , Silence the Believers . Some decks might stretch their mana base to include Utter End if they already run white, since there is so little decent removal outside of Utter End . Could this situation happen, which would drive up the price?
September 12, 2014 9:18 a.m.
Post-standard, however, the card will have very little use. Long term value of Utter end will likely be around $2-3
September 12, 2014 11:53 a.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #21
@vishnarg
Oh, yeah, I don't expect Utter End
to see almost any play in eternal formats. I meant price spec for standard uses (AKA cheaper to get now, or later --- after KTK is officially released and out there for a small while?). Yeah, it's either this Orzhov build that I'm dreaming up for KTK Standard, or I'm just joining Modern full-time. So, If I want to play next standard, I'll be using a number of these cards.
September 12, 2014 1:17 p.m.
jerresette says... #22
I think Utter End will see play in EDH. In EDH you can afford the extra mana easily and there is SO MUCH indestructible, and annoying artifacts, enchantment, etc etc in the format. 4 mana seems like a lot, but instant speed exile removal is gravy train for all the 6, 7 and 8 mana bombs that get thrown out. IT KILLS ELDRAZI!
It's now in my Esper Sen Triplets deck.
November 21, 2014 6:11 p.m.
@jerresette: Please check the dates on things before posting.
-_-"
November 21, 2014 6:12 p.m.
jerresette says... #24
Depends on the meta, but I see it as $2.00-2.50 in standard, dive to $1.00 at rotation and slow creep to eventually settle at $5-6 for the eternal formats. I think the Foil Promo is gonna be $9ish now and $15 later on.
November 21, 2014 6:15 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #25
I appreciate the comment, but this is a very old topic. In fact, it doesn't even apply anymore --- I'm playing Jeskai now.
Unforgivn_II says... #2
Well, Hero's Downfall was 5 dollars for preorder, then it jumped to 15. I think its safe to say that you have potential to gain much more than you could possibly lose. Worst case scenario is that it hangs around Dreadbore levels at 2.50-3
September 11, 2014 11:46 a.m.