Immortal Sun
Economics forum
Posted on Oct. 25, 2018, 10:21 a.m. by TheRealSpecialK
I am wondering what is causing the The Immortal Sun to maintain such a high price (more specifically what decks in what formats). I understand in is a great utility card, but it is 6 mana to play. My biggest question is will it drop once Standard rotates? I haven't really seen it in any Standard decks, and I have one I am considering trading that I would be a lot more willing to part with if the price will likely drop after it is out of Standard.
rockleemyhero says... #3
Vintage? I don’t see that 6 mana do nothinger in any of those lists...
October 25, 2018 11:12 a.m.
The card primarily gets its price point from being a mythic in 2 second expansion of a block that sees wide play in EDH. This card is never really the right card for any deck in the format, but it does a little bit of something wherever you decide to stick it in.
In this sense, it's a pretty safe investment for noobs and people who aren't committed to any deck with limited funds. Like if a non-MtG friend of mine had just gotten into EDH and wanted to get some cards to explore his tastes, The Immortal Sun wouldn't be a terrible purchase because it has a lot of flexibility. In that sense, him investing in an Enlightened Tutor could actually end up being far worse even though that card is far better. Now if a veteran friend of mine put that card in literally anything, I'd laugh and make fun of them. Besides, it's flashy and does things people like to see on cards. All of those effects are something that have value in EDH, it's just that nothing really efficiently puts the card to use in a way that couldn't be replicated with more specific cards at lower costs.
This card most definitely isn't some eternal format all star like TMBRLZ is making it out to be. In fact, performing the exact search he or she suggests comes up with basically nothing for Modern, Legacy, and Vintage.
In the end, it's important to realize that most magic players are casual ones and they're the ones who really set the prices for a lot of magic singles. The immortal sun is just a card that appeals to casuals.
October 25, 2018 11:41 a.m.
My bad. I forgot Magic players get super defensive about everything.
I also apparently forgot where I claimed the card was an all-star. I explained what the card did, and recognized 3 MTGO Vintage decks that placed with the card in their list. (And MTGO isn't much to go off of - but I assumed that was understood by most).
The fact that there are only 18 decks with the card says its not all that extraordinary. I didn't feel that needed elaborated on. I just simply recognized that the card at least had the reliable basis to make it into a handful of Top 8 lists, which for a card of reduced availability, such as a Mythic, is enough to put the card a little higher on market value. Not that it justifies its viability, but it causes a raise in the prices, which, to Arvail's credit, is a pretty typical response from casual magic players.
But that's my mistake. I should have done better than just doing a simple search, providing an answer to use as some background, and not defending every syllable with additional insight.
You'll have to forgive me on that one.
October 25, 2018 3:39 p.m.
In an agro edh deck it checks all the boxes keeps your hand full makes your guys bigger and easier to cast. It's a timmy card but it's a mythic from a set that wasn't opened a whole lot
October 25, 2018 3:45 p.m.
Respectfully, TMBRLZ, your initial post was vague, and made it sound like you though it was a good card. Phrases like “all formats” imply wide-spread versatility, and specifically mentioning Vintage implies it is viable in Magic’s most brutal format. Saying that it can “get a lot done” without the necessary “but, Sun’s numerous abilities don’t generally shine in any deck” is missing a pretty important critique, again making it seem like you think it is a good card. You then followed this up by saying it should be a staple in any EDH deck (an eternal format). You didn’t say there are only 18 decks - so, from context, it sounded like you thought 18 was a lot.
The only person being defensive is you. Arvail provided a concise, clean response to the plain language of your post. You then got upset and quite passive aggressive because your post was not interpreted as you intended.
Remember, no one is a mind reader. Just because you know what you’re saying does not mean you’ve conveyed your true thoughts. Here, all evidence pointed to your believing the card was fantastic - you can’t really get upset if others did not divine your true meaning.
Back on topic, I agree with Arvail and shadow63 - it’s a fun card with a lot of nifty abilities, that’s in limited quantities. If i were a new player, I would be enthralled with the card, and try to run it in a number of decks.
However, as the old adage says, “the jack of all trades is the master of none”, and, with limited deck space and mana availability, every card needs to be the correct “master” for your specific deck.
October 25, 2018 7:25 p.m. Edited.
I think it's cool. A lot of multiplayer edh decks can pump it out turns 3-5. If you can play it t4 and an 8-drop turn five, you're stylin'
I only have The Immortal Sun in one deck; Doran, the Siege Tower). I like the extra draw card. The rest is a bonus since there's no pw in it.
Most of my decks have at least one planeswalker and that's reason enough not to run it for me. I, too, think it's expensive. As most have said, it's a fun card not a competitive one due to its high cmc. I'm sure I'll eventually buy another if/when the price drops lol
October 25, 2018 10:49 p.m. Edited.
fluffybunnypants says... #9
It's currently found in 1447 decks on EDHRec. It's also a super casual mythic that is very set specific. It's demand is certainly not based on rotational formats, I think I'm holding onto 20 something foils as a long term thing and I recommend doing the same.
TMBRLZ says... #2
18 registered decks on MTGTOP8 across all formats that utilized the card, including EDH, Vintage, and numerous Standard decks. (you'll have to search it yourself) If you can fit it in, the card can get a lot done.
Not sure why any EDH player wouldn't run the card in general. It does everything you want and nothing you don't if you don't care about Planeswalkers. And isn't asking a lot.
October 25, 2018 10:48 a.m. Edited.