Day Traders: The official buyout and price spike thread

Economics forum

Posted on Jan. 7, 2016, 9:14 p.m. by Epochalyptik

This will be the official thread for discussing buyouts, price spikes, price drops, and other sudden market changes.

Feel free to subscribe if you want to stay up to date on changes in the secondary market!

Rules:

  • This thread is for alerts and minor discussion about buyouts, price spikes, and price drops. Please do not use this thread for speculation.
  • When posting about a price change or buyout speculation, please list data or other evidence.
  • Please keep banter to a minimum. The main purpose of this thread is to notify others about price changes; that's harder to do if everyone's discussing some particular deck or how badly they need card X.

Resources:

  • MTGStocks.com (Provides stock-like information on card prices.)
  • TCGplayer.com (Provides aggregated card values and a price graph.)
  • EchoMTG (Provides stock-like information on card prices.)

Monsmtg says... #2

Great idea Epoch

January 7, 2016 9:25 p.m.

Grantley91 says... #3

Subbing for future use.

January 7, 2016 9:50 p.m.

Probably old news now, but Stoneforge Mystic is on the rise due to speculated unbanning. Source for price: tcgplayer

January 7, 2016 10:07 p.m.

Thank you Epochalyptik this makes it easier.

January 7, 2016 10:07 p.m.

DrFunk27 says... #6

Any card associated with BW Eldrazi is climbing steadily. Stoneforge spiked, but that's old news. Recent news, Grove of the Burnwillows doubled in price in less than a few days, so that really sucks for those who want to play Tron. HOWEVER, I honestly think Karplusan Forest is a fine replacement.

Timely Reinforcements has tripled over the last 2 weeks.

That's all I have for now. Will update this post without posting more in the future.

January 7, 2016 10:18 p.m.

I'mma subbin' too!

January 7, 2016 10:33 p.m.

First off let's start with Night of Souls' Betrayal. Increased by 166% today.

January 7, 2016 10:59 p.m.

Probably because it's also in the new Eldrazi deck.

January 7, 2016 11:05 p.m.

WHOA 20 bucks. Is that card actually played anywhere? Like besides as a 1-2-of in sideboards??

January 7, 2016 11:07 p.m.

CastleSiege says... #11

Subbing

January 7, 2016 11:09 p.m.

Char-You says... #12

It's in the Processors deck, in the side as a 2 of. The deck is popular.

Also, Scapeshift is $40, and that is not ok.

January 7, 2016 11:09 p.m.

VampireArmy says... #13

Eldrazi Temple is also climbing extremely fast. I think it's stalled for now but it went from 1-2 bucks to 10

January 8, 2016 12:01 a.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #14

Really is modern season coming. If one looks at the EchoMTG section for MM2, you can see that the top 12 most expensive cards are only increasing in price, and there are very few cards going down and the ones that are are going down by 1%. Similar results can be found at MMA.

Karplusan Forest is also going up along Grove of the Burnwillows, probably because it too is being bought out from GR Tron. Luckily it is still the budget alternative.

EDIT: That is actually only the 9th edition for Karplusan Forest, which is weird, as a few articles from MTGstocks also claim that white bordered cards are being bought out but not any of the other editions, even though White bordered cards are viewed as being inferior. The 10th edition has just been seeing a slow and steady increase in price over the past 2 years.

January 8, 2016 12:55 a.m.

SimicPower says... #15

Phyrexian Crusader tripled in price a few days ago.

January 8, 2016 1:30 a.m.

addaff says... #16

Relic of Progenitus up to $5 from around a dollar, Eye of Ugin is now in that $25-$30 range, but that's cause the eldrazi decks. Spellskite is another one.

January 8, 2016 1:40 a.m.

GoofyFoot says... #17

This thread has informed me I'm almost "$500". I approve of this thread. Looks like I've got some cards to sell...

January 8, 2016 2:05 a.m.

CampbellStev says... #18

Sub

January 8, 2016 3:44 a.m.

Monsmtg says... #19

Looks like I've got some temples and eyes to sell

January 8, 2016 6:44 a.m.

Here's that Scapeshift price spike.

It doesn't appear to be sustainable.

January 8, 2016 8:14 a.m.

saj0219 says... #21

Is scapeshift's spike just a random buyout or is there something new going on with the deck that led to it?

January 8, 2016 8:53 a.m.

supermill says... #22

New Phyrexia Spellskite is up 60%, Phyrexian Crusader is up 146%, Eldrazi Temple is up a ton, Relic of Progenitus is up 104%, and Future Sight Grove of the Burnwillows hit $95

All info from EchoMTG

January 8, 2016 10:03 a.m.

Okay, so, Scapeshift got a bit of a shot in the arm with BfZ. It got Cinder Glade and Bring to Light. I feel pretty confidant in saying that these two things should not contribute to spike of this magnitude, thus I am assuming the current price level is not sustainable.

January 8, 2016 10:25 a.m.

Wheel of Fortune (Unlimited) has doubled over the past three days. No other printing has been affected.

January 8, 2016 11:51 a.m.

Char-You says... #25

Futuresight Grove of the Burnwillows is up to $95 from $65 at the new year.

Glimmervoid and Crucible of Worlds are also trending upwards with Glimmer up $6 from yesterday.

Eureka is losing any hype it had since the DTT ban and is now sitting at $147, as opposed to the $200 that it had been since the ban spike. Serra's Sanctum is also gaining some speed up $10 to $50 since last week.

January 8, 2016 12:26 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #26

Christ. Spellskite is a $40 SIDEBOARD CARD. Gaddock Teeg was bad enough but now this? What happenend to the sideboard being the most budget section of the deck ... now it is filled with nothing but cards over $20.

January 8, 2016 1:07 p.m.

ojmandias says... #27

Inquisition of Kozilek has spiked from ~$13 last week to like ~$40. Both the ROE and the Modern Event Deck printings. I'm assuming this might also be because of the Bx eldrazi decks. Prices from TCGplayer

January 8, 2016 1:09 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #28

$60 now for Inquisition of Kozilek.

January 8, 2016 1:28 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #29

It looks like the people who do these buy-outs know absolutely nothing about modern deck-building. They just look at a deck that is recently new and buy out all the cards for it regardless of any sort of deck-building knowledge.

January 8, 2016 1:30 p.m.

nayrash5 says... #30

Inquisition of Kozi went stratospheric because it's deff not in Oath, Though that price point is a tad excessive.

January 8, 2016 1:36 p.m.

DrFunk27 says... #31

Holy Shit on Inquisition....it's unsustainable but I'm sure it won't fall under $25. It's played way to much, in so many different decks. Well, glad I have my playset. So anyways, what else in the Top 8 will be next? I'm calling Shocklands.

January 8, 2016 1:43 p.m.

addaff says... #32

Holy shit, i might just off my IoK due to that being such an insane price.

January 8, 2016 1:48 p.m.

scrotality says... #33

glad this thread exists. also: glad i have a playlet of iok! looks like thoughtseize pricing is on the decline as a result.

January 8, 2016 1:58 p.m.

nayrash5 says... #34

Memory Lapse (Seventh Ed) seems to gain a dollar a month.

January 8, 2016 2:04 p.m.

nayrash5 says... #35

Also, why is Pull from Eternity so stupid? It's looks like a buyout, but also like a typo.

January 8, 2016 2:07 p.m.

scrotality says... #36

does anyone have any guesses as to what Scalding Tarn is going to peak at? glad i re-bought my playset at $79 each

January 8, 2016 2:07 p.m.

I like this idea of the thread, although it seems like that's all the economics thread ever was in the first place. I'm starting to get worried for the state of Modern. If it gets too expensive to get into, people will never make the jump from standard. I wouldn't want to be holding the bag if normal economics don't help balance out the market manipulation. Also I encourage everyone to crack packs. More packs opened = more cards in the market. But more importantly, don't buy cards at these ridiculously-high prices. DON'T GIVE THEM THE SATISFACTION!!!

January 8, 2016 3:49 p.m.

DrFunk27 says... #38

GeminiSpartanX The one thing that doesn't bother me about Modern is they can reprint anything they want, whenever they want. It's not going to kill the format. This happens every year anyways. Last year Snapcaster Mage was nearing $80. Now look at him. It's modern season, people are buying cards, the end.

January 8, 2016 4:06 p.m.

scrotality says... #39

no matter what, modern (and legacy) will never be as bad of an investment as standard.

January 8, 2016 4:12 p.m.

mtgThaen says... #40

scrotality - +1 and subbing

January 8, 2016 5:27 p.m.

But even compared to previous years, there hasn't been this many buyouts at such an early time of the year. It's also kind of silly that people are buying out playable uncommons and commons that have multiple reprints. If MM15 is an indicator of future 'reprints', then Modern will increase in price faster than Wizards can control it with reprints.

January 8, 2016 5:34 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #42

Delay is up 600%+!

January 8, 2016 6:39 p.m.

Char-You says... #43

I feel like we should stay away from percentages in this forum because the numbers sell the card more than they should. See the Delay example above.

Also, Wasteland Strangler is $4 now, Blight Herder is at a Dollar. The processors deck is getting on everyone's good side, it seems. I've never seen a deck get this popular this quick.

January 8, 2016 6:45 p.m.

DrFunk27 says... #44

GeminiSpartanX If you're referring to Inquisition it's only had 2 reprints and 1 was a supplemental set. This isn't that odd. It's played more than Thoughtseize.

January 8, 2016 6:46 p.m.

Oh, I'm already deep into the modern(rabbit) hole Femme_Fatale. I have my IoKs and many other Modern staples already. It's just that my local meta isn't so much into Modern, but I want them to be. The standard guys at my LGS would like to get into Modern, but price was an issue for them even before the latest round of spikes. I really want more of a Modern presence in my area, but I'm upset that players can't get into it due to speculators.

January 8, 2016 8:29 p.m.

DrFunk27 says... #46

GeminiSpartanX I'm not convinced this is speculators. I honestly think it's just people buying cards preparing for 1.) Pro Tour and 2.) Some of the new, spicy decks. This happens every winter; cards will settle in late Summer, early Fall, and the cycle will start again. Standard is a black hole of money and is only worth using to buy single of cards playable in Modern, EDH or Legacy lol

January 8, 2016 8:34 p.m.

deltacobra says... #47

Ghost Quarter is tending up.

January 8, 2016 8:48 p.m.

I personally don't think that one new deck would cause widely played uncommon to spike $10. I can see the reason behind Relic of Progenitus and the Eldrazi lands, but IoK has been a solid card in modern for a while, and I have trouble believing that 1 new deck is responsible for so many new players to enter the format. Players who've been playing modern for a while most likely had those beforehand, so a massive buyout doesn't make much sense to me.

But in all honesty, I'm just ranting. I really just want more local players in my area to get into Modern, but they can't due to cost.

January 8, 2016 8:51 p.m.

IoK is also up because it's not in Oath, like many people had hoped.

January 8, 2016 8:54 p.m.

ojmandias says... #50

IoK is a widely played uncommon yes, but I was saying that people are buying a lot of them because its in the overhyped Bx Eldrazi deck. Its definitely grown too much and too fast for that to be the only reason. It may be that it wasn't printed in OGW but, idk how many people were expecting it to be. Standard is already too powerful, and adding more power cards won't change that.

to summarize - IoK spike probably b/c eldrazi, but no reprint and buyout contribute

January 8, 2016 10:09 p.m.

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