Ashen Rider how feasible and will it ever go up?
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Posted on April 24, 2014, 12:58 a.m. by WovenNebula
I personally don't believe it will show up that much in Standard but in Modern I think it has the possibility to shine. I think it could do well in a reanimation style deck to bring it in as early as turn 2 exiling all your opponents lands and leaving them high and dry to finish them off with them having no mana to answer your cards with. I personally want it to go up since it has potential yet to be seen but will it ever truly shine? Whats everyone elses opinions on this card is it feasible to you to use in any format and will it go up or stay at its low price forever being shelved in binders or even boxes of bulk? (Below are just a few combinations that can bring some use out of him, there are many more like Through the Breach etc.)
I could see it as a possibility if its mana cost were 2WWBB. It's a great card, don't get me wrong, but I feel like, with modern being as fast paced as it is, that it's not going to show up a lot. With Through the Breach , it could shine in a Spooky Scary Monsters deck alongside Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Griselbrand , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Iona, Shield of Emeria , and other gigantic cards that will let you wreck your opponent's side of the board. Ashen Rider would be devastating if paired with Emrakul and Restoration Angel. However, just like Emrakul, you're going to have to cheat it out somehow. But Footsteps could probably do it if you had a way to discard/mill yourself.
Definitely has potential, it's one of my favorite Theros cards as far as flavor and all over power, and I'm hoping it gets some use because I have a few and I have nothing to do with them except awkwardly put them into EDH decks.
April 24, 2014 1:43 a.m.
It replaces Angel of Despair in many people's sideboards for dealing with Show and Tell . I could see it at $8 someday, but that's going to take a few years (a decade wouldn't surprise me). Pick them up while they're cheap, but don't stock up on them like they're the next Dark Confidant .
April 24, 2014 1:51 a.m.
I kind of threw together a brain dump of cards to consider for a deck running Ashen Rider. It's really any other deck that cheats out the big guys, except it's just a list of cards that I'd toss in the deck and not an actual constructed deck with time put into it. Big Scary Monsters
April 24, 2014 1:55 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #6
It all depends on whether you want to go Modern or Standard. From what you're describing, you seem to want to go Modern. If you look at my deck, Call of the Underworld, you'll see a viable strategy for getting the Rider out by turn 4 or 5. The strategy employed there, though, could be employed for any super-huge creature, like, say, Borborygmos Enraged , or Colossus of Akros . Still, though, I totally dig the Rider, and that was the creature I wanted to feature.
April 24, 2014 2:03 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #7
@BLEATH I have constructed a deck a lil while back and here it is below. I understand that doesn't compare to the version with emrakul since that is more of in your face and your dead, this version that will change would be more controlling just for mere fun tho it is kind of evil removing your enemies lands and probably throw iona in there and stop them in their tracks from doing anything and killing them rather than just stomping right off like a burn deck.
Grave Riders Playtest
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SCORE: 6 | 13 COMMENTS | 676 VIEWSApril 24, 2014 2:04 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #8
While testing the deck against a few top tier 1 decks in modern it did very well on not letting them able to play anything, keep in mind this is without sideboards being used that it exceed at, I will have to more thorough play testing and changes by adding iona etc..
April 24, 2014 2:05 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #9
@Mirrid Your deck is quite similar to mine, have you play tested it and what were the results? I think he has potential not in a hyper aggressive deck but a controlling type deck that you sit back and relax while your oponent is not able to do anything or play anything and if they do whoops its exiled. @TheNinjaJesus Thats an interesting take on him in standard I like the originality that went into it, as I always ask have you played it out and how well did ashen do?
April 24, 2014 2:11 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #10
WovenNebula- I haven't put it up at a FNM yet. Meta here dictates I'm probably going to turn it into an anti-control deck following the first round. I play some casual games with family, and they've got some pretty tricked out decks... I managed to tease out the Rider using the Oracle/Rescue combo (as planned) on one of these family games. The next turn, they drew removal (Hero's Downfall)... and I Rescued him again via hard cast. They certainly paid tribute on that Oracle when he rescued the Rider. In the end, they lost five permanents to exile, a wasted removal spell, and their love for me.
April 24, 2014 2:19 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #11
I agree we may lose a lot of love using Ashen Rider more so than reanimating emrakul since that gives you a quick death, and we are giving a slow agonizing death while removing every permanent you have lol
April 24, 2014 2:22 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #12
Just think of Ashen Rider as an evil magic act.
"Awww you love Mutavault don't you?"
POOF
"What's that? You exiled my Stormbreath Dragon with Detention Sphere?"
POOF
"Oh, you've got a 12/12 Desecration Demon? Sure, I'll sac a creature to tap him.... AND THEN EXILE HIM!"
POOF
April 24, 2014 2:24 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #13
@TheNinjaJesus lol, ashen just has so much potential if used right, who in their right mind would hard cast him when you can manipulate ashen so easily.
April 24, 2014 2:26 a.m.
StunForDayz says... #14
@TheNinjaJesus D-sphere can't target Stormbreath Dragon lol. I love ashen rider in my edh deck. I blink him alot :)
April 24, 2014 2:53 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #15
Oh, totally forgot the protection from white. Still, though. Good creature, no reason to cast him for MSRP.
April 24, 2014 2:59 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #16
I'm with sylvannos. I have my playset for a Legacy sideboard. Ashen Rider goes in for Show and Tell matchups.
They're around $1.50 ish or so. Pick up a playset, at least.
There are definitely better Reanimator targets, but as previously stated, Rider pairs well with other critters.
April 24, 2014 3:29 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #17
I don't expect them to rise at all, but love the enthusiasm.
April 24, 2014 8:48 a.m.
He's one of my favorite recent cards. I have a playset English nonfoil, 1 Foil, 1 Russian, 1 Korean, and I'm on the look out for more cool ones... I run him in every EDH deck.
April 24, 2014 1:37 p.m.
foil riders is where its at, EDH and legacy players enjoy foils. i think hell be closer to a Deadeye Navigator , $1/2 non and $20 foil, but with potential to be higher bc of legacy sideboard as a 1/2 of
BLEATH says... #2
I feel like this deck would be kinda worse than Goryo's Vengeance + Griselbrand or with Emrakul, the Aeons Torn .
It would be able to take out their land early...actually. I'm kind of liking this more and more as I reply. Even if it's not GREAT, the concept is amazing.
Did you have a specific list in mind for us to look at?
April 24, 2014 1:40 a.m.