So I started picking this stuff up
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Posted on March 14, 2015, 5:36 a.m. by IndepenentMeta
I got 4x Loxodon Smiter
Do you guys think I have some shots to score some top 4's with this decklist?
bijschjdbcd says... #3
All of these cards are fundamentally unplayable, Chances of getting top 4 given a meta of Twin amd Abzan decks for example is very very small.
March 14, 2015 5:56 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #5
Little Kid Abzan is a sweet deck. Lieges cost a lot though.
March 14, 2015 6:58 a.m.
let's break down the cards you mentioned.
Loxodon Smiter: this is a relatively effective card, especially in modern right now. With Liliana of the Veil the most expensive she has ever been and abzan running rampant, this is a strong card to have.
Scavenging Ooze: again, a really powerful card in modern. It makes snapcaster terrible, and can be a great answer to burn decks. Most people can look at this guy and agree it's amazing.
Experiment One: a strong card in standard, he has lost a lot of favor in modern. He still sees play in a single tier modern deck, but that is Green stompy/devotion, and therefore a bad example. overall he's a weak creature that too often doesn't go higher than 3, and dies to all the removal in the format. His regenerate is terrible for the modern format, as the only way to keep in useful is to keep him big.
Sunpetal Grove: G/W checkland. not much to say here. It's a good land, it's not better than a Temple Garden, but it's certainly great in addition to them if you are committed to G/W.
Valorous Stance: Great in standard, OK in modern. it's removal mode is far too specific for a format based on 3 or less mana cards. It does kill Siege Rhino, Restoration Angel, and Deceiver Exarch, but it doesn't kill Geist of Saint Traft, Snapcaster Mage, or Pestermite, and that's important. It's better to have more vague removal. Indestructible is nice, but singleton targeting isn't the best, seeing as you get all creatures with Boros Charm. overall, it is subpar compared to other mode cards you could be using.
Shamanic Revelation: simply put, it's way too expensive for modern. It's very rare you'll ever break even, much less get value off this card, and you shouldn't be playing it for the life gain option. lifegain is fine, but if that's your reason, it's a bad card. your strictly better off with cards like Timely Reinforcements.
Now, Let's break down your deck. First, there is no sideboard. If you are expecting to top 4, you better have a sideboard to prepare you for the tier decks you'll be facing.
Second, if you are serious about actually top 4'ing a modern event, you need to "netdeck". Now, I don't mean you need to copy and paste the abzan decks that top 8'ed the pro tour. I mean you need to recognize what the best version of certain cards are and use them. If you're on a budget, then expect to get budget results. that frankly is the name of the game.
Banishing Light, Banisher Priest, and Journey to Nowhere should be Path to Exile and cards like Celestial Flare.
Advent of the Wurm is way too much mana for a 5/5 vanilla creature in modern. In a vacuum, Advent is great, but on board, a 5/5 that doesn't do anything other than turn sideways isn't going to win you much games. Thrun, the Last Troll is amazing here. He is a 4/4, but literally every color other than black can't really deal with him other than combat damage, which he usually can regenerate through.
Nemesis of Mortals, Nylea, God of the Hunt, and Saffi Eriksdotter are frankly just bad cards in modern. There are tons of amazing creatures that get so much done in modern. See Great Sable Stag, Restoration Angel, Aven Mindcensor, and others.
You also need to figure out how to deal with certain cards. how do you come back from an opponent who uses multiple Wrath of Godeffects, while beating you to death with Celestial Colonnade? How do you stop Scapeshift, Splinter Twin, titanbloom or Ad Nauseam combos? If you can't answer these questions, you won't beat tier decks.
I would really consider what kind of deck you would like to play, then check out Mtgtop8.con and mtgdecks.net and see what you can find. It's possible to do well on a budget, but not if your deck isn't prepared for your opponents, and certainly if you aren't.
I Tried to be as concise as I could. I didn't want to sound harsh, and I hope I provided some good feedback to think about. good luck!
March 14, 2015 7:17 a.m.
people still giving serious responses to this dude's threads??
March 14, 2015 11:24 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #9
JexInfinite GlistenerAgent that's actually the first question I asked when I picked it up. How much are siege rhinos going for. GlistenerAgent what card is that?
March 14, 2015 12:08 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #10
GoofyFoot oh yeah u forgot about Path to Exile. And I'll see if anyone has any Thrun, the Last Troll. Oh yeah Wrath of God could diffently see some play time in this deck. Thanks for all your help man I'll put those I the list
March 14, 2015 12:23 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #11
bigguy99 I've been hearing a lot about hate eats but idk what that looks like
March 14, 2015 12:24 p.m.
Hatebears isn't that uncommon. Just look up a list; they're not hard to find.
March 14, 2015 2:15 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #14
Lol you just had to like that card. I might be able to pick up 2x for the decklist.
March 14, 2015 6:10 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #15
Yeah I just saw it it's kinda a stun beat down type of deal... I liked it. There's plenty of cheap staples I can throw into my deck thou
March 14, 2015 6:11 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #16
Honestly, for $800-900, it's a pretty good deal. Most of that cost is the sideboard, fetches, and Lieges. I think Siege Rhino is going for $7.50 at the moment.
March 14, 2015 7:23 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #17
Maybe man I'll see what i can work out. I have a bang deck that costs bout the same but IMO better. If you wanna check it out on my profile.
Damn 7.59 that's cheap I've heard they were at a solid ten but I'll try to pick up a set to make this deck more aggro would u recommend hero's downfall? I have one
March 14, 2015 8:03 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #21
How bout we try this what exactly meta threats does it hit?
March 14, 2015 8:17 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #23
March 14, 2015 8:32 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #24
bijschjdbcd I have been summoned. For what purpose? To explain the value of Abrupt Decay?
I could make a list of what Abrupt Decay hits in Modern, but that would be an exceedingly long list. Even if I were to stick to the relevant cards it would be a long list. So, I'm going to try and keep it relatively simple. Abrupt Decay hits the following:
Pestermite (because twin can go off with it)Deceiver Exarch (again twin)
Also almost everything in Affinity dies to it.
It hits Liliana of the Veil and Scavenging Ooze oh it for sure hits Tarmogoyf.
It hits any creature in Infect decks and Burn decks.
In summary it hits almost any relevant threat in Modern aside from a few exceptions and man-lands. It is also incredibly versatile hitting more than just creatures. It is, in my opinion and experience perhaps the best removal spell in all of Modern. If you play G/B/X then you play Abrupt Decay no questions asked.
March 14, 2015 8:50 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #25
Yeah it sounds pretty good I didn't think bout it being able to take down veil cause she's a cmc 3 thanks man that was really helpful
March 15, 2015 1:24 a.m.
In a format where the 9/10 of the top creatures (as per http://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern) are vulnerable to this TWO MANA, UNCOUNTERABLE removal spell, it is worth running whenever you can (maybe not a four of but certain 2 in main and 1-2 in SB)
creatures: Tarmogoyf
Spellskite
Deceiver Exarch
Goblin Guide
Monastery Swiftspear
Scavenging Ooze
Noble Hierarch
Grim Lavamancer
Birds of Paradise, there's an old saying, "bolt the bird"
Pestermite
Loxodon Smiter
Monastery Mentor
Young Pyromancer
Delver of Secrets
Flip
Aven Mindcensor
infect decks
almost the entirity of both the faeries decks and merfolk decks.
Ornithopter, Memnite, Arcbound Ravager and the rest of affinity including Cranial Plating
then you've also got all the non creaturesLiliana of the Veil
Blood Moon
AEther Vial
The fact that an uncounterable removal spell such as this is good enough to see legacy play should indicate that this is good enough to see play in modern. this, Lightning Bolt and Path to Exile are 3 of the main removal spells of the format. When you evaluate a creature for modern, often you will think "does it survive a bolt?" then you will think "is its cmc 3 or less". This card is AMAZINGLY GOOD.
March 16, 2015 7:24 a.m.
IndepenentMeta Abrupt Decay hits all sorts of things, Liliana of the Veil, Tarmogoyf, Pestermite, Deceiver Exarch, just to name a few. If you are going to splash black, add Maelstrom Pulse, Lingering Souls, Thoughtseize-like effects, and everyone's favorite, Siege Rhino. You should add Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard against burn.
bigguy99 says... #2
The only good GW deck in Modern is Hatebears. This is too slow and the payoff for going late isn't good enough. Also, this belongs in Deck Help.
March 14, 2015 5:45 a.m.