Lazav, Steal/Copy EDH Manabase queries.

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Posted on April 8, 2015, 8:34 p.m. by Aroix

Hey there!

This is the current deck I am running, but I am having a little dilemma with my Mana-base. Not sure of the utility of a few of my lands, for example Duskmantle, House of Shadow. As well As the overall spread, Amount of ETB tapped and Swamp vs Islands.

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Due to budget i am not looking at getting the following cards: Though I will be in the near future, Though will be trying to trade for them: SHOW

Cheers for the input!

Dekordius says... #2

April 8, 2015 10:18 p.m.

Zyxix says... #3

Caged Sun, or Gilded Lotus for extra mana. I don't know if you run enough islands for High Tide to be worth it. If you want to get infinite mana, both Pili-Pala/Grand Architect and Basalt Monolith/Rings of Brighthearth are available. Hope this helps.

April 9, 2015 1:28 a.m.

enpc says... #4

As far as mill lands go, Nephalia Drownyard is a good one to run.

The problem here is budget. I would recommend cards like Phyrexian Tower, Volrath's Stronghold, Academy Ruins, High Market, Miren, the Moaning Well, Cephalid Coliseum etc but the price tag for these is not cheap.

At the end of the day, for a blue/black deck most of your mana base is going to be built around mana consistency. You might find yourself running a few nice effects but for the most part all your need to do is produce mana. Often you'll see decks running more complicated mana bases (effects wise) but generally this is because the deck either

A) needs as many copies of an effect as possible

and/or

B) the deck's colours natively lack an effect and the mana base helps make that up.

One card I think most decks should run is Strip Mine, or at least Strip Mine like cards. Its not about land destruction specifically, but if my opponent was constantly milling my deck through a Nephalia Drownyard, Strip Mine is one of the easiest ways to deal with it. On a budget, I would recommend Tectonic Edge as a replacement.

In regards to cards you're looking to get long term, I would avoid Darkwater Catacombs. Lands that require a mana investment to produce any mana (with the exception of things like Cabal Coffers) aren't a good idea.

From your list, I would look at prioritizing Watery Grave then Polluted Delta. From here, Drowned Catacomb should be your next grab along with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. Also, do't be afraid to run "off colour" fetches if you are able to aquire them. Especially once you can get your hands on Watery Grave. You have 7 useable fetches available to you. You can also use Grixis Panorama and Esper Panorama in the meantime if you want to increase your fetch count.

I hope this helps a bit.

April 9, 2015 1:33 a.m.

Aroix says... #5

Cheers everyone! Thank you for your input, Its been pretty effective especially @enpc with you detailed description. Budget is an issue but eventually will be including alot of these.

Thanks again

April 9, 2015 10:16 a.m.

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