Azorious/Dimir Deck Help

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Posted on May 15, 2017, 12:20 p.m. by FrostySentinel

The two main deck archetypes that I have found myself to like playing the best are currently Azorious control and Dimir mill. I've been working on making decks and planning things out for when I get enough money to buy the cards but I'm having some trouble. I have the decks published, but unfortunately they haven't gotten much attention for the help I need. If anybody could check them out and give their input, that would be an immense help to me. I'm also trying to dabble in Azorious stasis and token decks, so input on those would also be greatly appreciated.

Icbrgr says... #2

What does your budget look like? I took a gander at your decks and for the price tags the concepts of the Azorius decks seem pretty sound for the most part... your Dimir deck is like half built but your "maybeboard" includes most Dimir mill staples

for control i would advise a minimum of 24 lands with either 4-8 sources for draw and or topdeck manipulation or tutoring. Serum Visions/Wall of Omens/Omenspeaker/Drift of Phantasms/Muddle the Mixture as some examples.

classic control elements like counters and removal: Mana Leak/Vapor Snag/Path to Exile/Ghostly Prison/Detention Sphere/Supreme Verdict

and once you have a GRIP on the game a win condition like Elspeth, Sun's Champion or you can do turbofog using Azor's Elocutors or Luminarch Ascension

May 15, 2017 2:42 p.m.

sylvannos says... #3

Here is a really sweet low-budget, Azorious mill deck built around Sphinx's Tutelage and Fog effects.

The issue with going straight mill is you basically become a really bad burn deck. Instead of your opponent having 20 life, they have 53 life and lose 1 life per turn from each draw step. So if you consider a burn spell like Skullcrack, it deals 15% of your opponent's life total for . Compare that to Breaking / Entering, which costs and mills 8 cards out of your opponent's 51 (soonest you can cast Breaking / Entering). It's roughly the same at 15.6% of your opponent's "life." However, Breaking / Entering and Glimpse the Unthinkable are the two best direct mill spells. Everything after them is low quality, compared to the massive amounts of 3 damage burn spells.

Because of this, it's much easier to just play a control deck that has a mill finisher. By simply playing something like Sphinx's Tutelage, then sitting back and killing/Fog'ing everything else, you'll have a much easier time winning the game. Not only that, but you don't have to worry about trying to setup Jace's Phantasm or Hedron Crab. You can take those out of your deck and replace them with more removal and draw spells.

I would consider moving towards combining your two decks and eventually building Esper Mill. You play all of the Holy Day cards in white, the draw spells in blue, and then all of the utility and removal in black.

Lastly, Nephalia Drownyard is really useful. I'd also play Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver in multiples, possibly even 4 copies. Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is an absolute brick wall against aggro and puts control decks on a fast clock. The real king is going to be Visions of Beyond due to how easy it is to get 20 cards in a graveyard.

May 15, 2017 6:54 p.m.

FrostySentinel says... #4

sylvannosThanks a bunch. I didn't really think something like an Esper mill would work very well, but that seems pretty cool. I already had Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver in mind when I was considering mill and I was able to get three Breaking/Entering a little while ago for my deck as well. I've been thinking about adding Dream Salvage for card acquisition and Dream Twist as some cheap mill. For me, Fog Bank will always be a must in almos any blue deck. Then maybe I could add in some rootborn defences along with Holy Day. I've also got a Traumatize and I'm going to try to get maybe one more since multiple uses aren't too affective.

IcbrgrFor deck control, would Divination be good or are there better alternatives? I've always kinda seen it as a staple for Blue decks. With Azors elecutors and Luminarch Ascension I could definitly use Fog Bank which is definitly one of my staples. I'll definitly try to get Serum Visions, Drift of Phantasms, and Omenspeaker. I don't think I'll go fo Wall of Omens though since I'd have more than enough defenders. I might add it to my side deck though. I can also see how Ghostly Prison would work well since I wouldn't be attacking all that much too. As for my budget, it's not very high. I don't have a job yet, but I'm going to be getting one over the Summer and I don't have too much experience with budgeting money yet. I think that I'll just take a small amount from each paycheck or something for my magic expenses.

May 16, 2017 12:02 p.m.

Icbrgr says... #5

@FrostySentinel nothing wrong with playing on a budget... they dont call this game cardboard crack for nothing...ive spent so much money on shoeboxes of card over the past few years :p ... Divination is ok but not the best choice for a 3cmc sorcery speed spell... i find more value in something like Monastery Siege for that effect personally... if you want i can post a few azorious control & turbofog decks i have built on your wall for a brewing ideas/inspiration or just add me as a friend and i will gladly help ya build in private message... honestly my decks usually have a 100-200 price tag on them for MODERN azorious control types but i can help poke around for viable budget alternatives

May 16, 2017 12:33 p.m.

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