Any experienced miracles players can help me?
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Posted on Dec. 17, 2014, 7:52 p.m. by tyforthevenom
this is my list please note some of the cards are me saving a few pennies
tyforthevenom says... #3
Sphinx's is penny pinching and a lifeline at instant speed, the decklist is based on the list run at gpnj hence the 3 counterbalance and 3 force of will
December 17, 2014 8:11 p.m.
There were two copies of miracles in the top 8 at new jersey and both ran 4 forces, 4 counterbalance.
December 17, 2014 8:16 p.m.
They also definitely didn't play Sphinx's Revelation. The card is a terrible inclusion and is definitely not where you want to be..
December 17, 2014 8:18 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #6
2nd place I copied card for card, don't remember what I edited from it though, I gave Rev I don't have dig
December 17, 2014 8:21 p.m.
2nd place was infect, the list isn't close to any list I saw at New Jersey
December 17, 2014 8:25 p.m.
Your list isn't particularly close to Losset's list.
December 17, 2014 8:30 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #11
Well you took out the spell pierce for the sphinxes rev which I feel is incorrect. Also lossett has played the deck for years and is an expert at it. Unless you can tell me that you can play the deck as well as him, you will need the fourth force of will to help you out
December 17, 2014 8:35 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #12
The sideboard is from another top 8 list swapping 2 cards for cheaper alternatives or things I already have that are close alternatives
December 17, 2014 8:40 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #13
also, never played the deck my fnm doesn't play legacy and as the only legacy player at my fnm i only have a dredge deck so far
December 17, 2014 8:44 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #14
For once, Im on venom's side.
His choices werent because he thought things were better, but because he had to make some budget decisions.
Thats fine and all, just dont expect to do well with it in a competitive legacy event (which it sounds like you wont be apart of for a while.)
December 17, 2014 9:13 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #15
I just feel like we are attacking him, when he didnt really do anything wrong.
December 17, 2014 9:14 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #16
While I was dismissive,I'm sure your comment targets other people moreso than me. That being said, you can play plenty of legacy online for free. I still disagree with sphinxes rev no matter what the budget is. Spell pierce and spell snare both better alternatives at a low cost
December 17, 2014 9:18 p.m.
Attacking him? We're making suggestions and giving advice. Exactly what he asked for.
December 17, 2014 9:18 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #18
noone is attacking me, but alot of things are being thrown out the window with sub par explanations saying "it's bad" isn't an explanation, it's a statement that leaves the person receiving it in the dark
December 17, 2014 9:23 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #19
Sphinx's Revelation costs at least four mana to do anything at all, and if you are using it for lifegain you need to be casting it for 3+. Many Legacy games end relatively early, and even if the games do go that long I think you would still rather have a different card-drawer like Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time, just because those can be cast earlier and always provide a benefit.
December 17, 2014 9:32 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #20
So in the format, efficiency is key. Sphinxes rev at bare minimum is a four mana draw a card and gain a life. Your goal with the deck is to get the lock and control the board as quickly as possible and then you can screw around. While rev is a good mana sink I guess after the lock. Having reduced force of wills means less free spells since you don't play daze and it means really fast decks like combo have a better chance at blowing you out of the water since you have no clock. So what you want to do is find cards like maybe more swords to plwshares or elspeth knight errant (some versions play it) in order to be proactive or response against threats. Sphinxes rev simply doesn't meet those qualifications in my opinion
December 17, 2014 9:34 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #21
other budget options i thought of that i have are Elixir of Immortality for the same reason you'd run snapcasters or Ponder which i seem to keep being sent when i buy cards
December 17, 2014 9:47 p.m.
Ponder is played in the European lists. I personally wouldn't play it but it's definitely viable in the deck.
December 17, 2014 9:51 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #23
Or like I said before: spell pierce, spell snare or swords to plow shares
December 17, 2014 9:51 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #26
I'd have to agree with julianjmoss. Pyroblast is very maindeckable, but I feel Flusterstorm should be saved in the board for matchups where you will fight a real counter war.
xlaleclx says... #2
Sphinx's Revelation is awful. If you want to play something like that the best option is Dig Through Time. You also need to pick up the 4th Force of Will at some point. Your comb matchups aren't going to be very good without it. You also really need the 4th Counterbalance. I'd also drop a Counterspell and a Pyroblast for 2 more Swords to Plowshares
December 17, 2014 8:03 p.m.