Fangreith Consumer (ideas)
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Posted on July 2, 2014, 9:12 p.m. by ZombieswithJetpacks
I occasionally like to design mtg cards, and had an idea for a mythic legendary creature. Was wondering what you guys think of it. So here it is:
Fangreith Consumer 6UBR
Legendary Creature - Leviathan Vampire
Deathtouch, Flying, Trample
1UBR: Fangreith Consumer deals 1 damage to each other creature. Draw cards equal to the number of creatures that died this way this turn.
Discard a card: Fangreith Consumer gets +1+1 until the end of the turn.
P:2 T:4
So what do you guys think?
ZombieswithJetpacks says... #3
Well the entire idea was based entirely around the badassary of the concept of a vampire leviathan. The original idea was a beater who wipes the board and gets big. I tried compensating ridiculous power with cmc. What would you think a vampire leviathan would be like?
July 2, 2014 9:31 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #4
Vampire Octopus would be awesome. Is there some background story for this thing?
I feel like Epoch hit the nail on the head. I read recently someone say that cost is too often used to justify design/development errors. I'd be reanimating this guy ASAP and proceeding to have the only creature out there. Maybe play a Lightning Greaves before to make for a hasty death engine.
That being said without Deathtouch it's probably not that bad. There are lots of ways to imbue your creatures with it, but it takes some extra work. With that change I feel like you could drop the cost to 4UBR. Compare to Blood Tyrant ; The lower P/T makes up for the draw ability, which is costed well without the Deathtouch and the discard ability is fair.
July 2, 2014 9:36 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #5
But an enormous Vampiric Leviathan would be bigger than 2/4. Nekusar, the Mindrazer is a 2/4. Giant Spider is also.
I'm thinking Vampiric Dragon size would be fair. Then you'd have to rework the abilities for sure...maybe make the discard ability give +1-/1?
July 2, 2014 9:39 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
@MindAblaze!: It might have been me. I'm fond of saying that things like rarity, cost, and low P/T are design bandages.
July 2, 2014 9:39 p.m.
ZombieswithJetpacks says... #7
So based upon your inputs, how about something like this:
Fangreith Consumer
Flying, Trample
1UBR: Fangreith Consumer deals 1 damage to each other creature. Draw cards equal to the number of creatures that died this way this turn.
Discard a card: Fangreith Consumer gets +1+1 until the end of the turn.
P:5/ T:5
There wasn't any story behind this. I picked some cool sounding name and decided that was that. Basically I just liked the idea of the creature pairing and wanted to make a badass legendary creature.
July 2, 2014 10:03 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
Same mana cost, I assume?
Looks better. The first activated ability needs rewording to be consistent with current conventions, but it seems workable.
July 2, 2014 10:24 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Also, legendary creatures tend to have unique names.
July 2, 2014 10:25 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
It generally helps if you go into the design with a backstory.
July 2, 2014 10:42 p.m.
It would still be broken that way. Haha. Perhaps this?
Fangreith Consumer - 3UBR
Flying, Trample
1UBR: Fangreith Consumer deals damage equal to its power to target creature an opponent controls. Whenever a creature is killed this way, put a +1/+1 counter on Fangreith Consumer.
4UBR: Draw an amount of cards equal to the number of +1/+1 counters on Fangreith Consumer.
4/5
July 2, 2014 10:53 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #13
@Scytec: I disagree. It's not broken in the previous iteration. You might need a slight update to change the card draw to the number of creatures killed on that particular resolution rather than over the course of the turn, but everything else is alright.
July 2, 2014 10:56 p.m.
Hmm. Perhaps you are right. The way I read it, I would just cast Damnation then draw a boat load of cards. Haha. Plus vampires deal in counters. So I would at least change the discard skill to a +1/+1 counter instead of end of turn.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Mythic rarity is not an excuse for being busted as hell.
First, the types and evergreens don't really make sense together. Leviathan Vampire is hard to comprehend, even from a fantasy standpoint. I'll admit, though, that it's an awesome thought once you comprehend it.
Deathtouch + flying + trample is very, very broken as an evergreen lineup. You're basically guaranteeing that you'll always have a meat sack flying at someone's face, and it's very difficult to counteract. Arguably impossible without removal spells.
The first activated ability shouldn't be anywhere near deathtouch by default. Way too powerful. There's no drawback other than killing your own creatures, but you're left with the only creature on the field, and it's basically impossible to recover combat presence against a threat like this.
Also, the P/T isn't fitting of a legendary flying Leviathan Vampire
I actually think it would be Vampire Leviathan, but that's going purely on how each order sounds.
July 2, 2014 9:21 p.m.