World Championship Cards
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Aug. 6, 2020, 1:47 p.m. by TriusMalarky
Since EDH is mostly a casual format, would you say(given my playgroup accepts) that I can use the World Championship Gold Bordered cards? Since there are some amazing cards that are much cheaper, I'd like to know your opinions.
Course it all just depends on what my playgroup says.
griffstick says... #3
If you shoot for the top of the cards from the banned list like that one. Your friends who you play with may say quickly that they are no longer okay with it. You know what I mean?
August 6, 2020 2 p.m.
TriusMalarky says... #4
Oloro_Magic My sleeves are all pretty opaque(if that's the right word). Only one I'd be concerned about is my Mairsil, so I really just can't get cheap fetches for him.
No, griffstick, I'm not even sure if that was english. I can make out the words 'friends' and 'know what i mean?' but other than that I think you're talking French.
Side note, anyone else think French came from Cthulu?
August 6, 2020 2:18 p.m.
griffstick says... #5
It was lazy writing. I'm not gonna try again. Because I'm lazy.
August 6, 2020 2:22 p.m.
Oloro_Magic says... #6
As someone who is French, no; I disagree that French came from Cthulu lol.
August 6, 2020 2:29 p.m. Edited.
griffstick says... #7
Oh shit. Never mind what I said. I thought you wanted to play Johnny, Combo Player as your commander for some reason.
I understand what you are asking now. My bad. If you bought them and wanted to use them I dont see any problem with it. From what I understand is that gold bordered cards are going up in price quick and not going down. Play them
August 6, 2020 2:29 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #8
Sure, if you're playing kitchen table.
No, if you're at an lgs participating in a sanctioned event.
August 7, 2020 5:48 a.m.
I use a collectors edition cradle and no ones had an issue
August 7, 2020 4:37 p.m.
Oloro_Magic says... #10
These type of cards were from a product created by Wizards in the late 90's and early 2000's that were non-DCI sanctioned reprints of some of the top decks from the World Championships the previous year. They look like this with the different back and the player's signature printed on the front in gold:
August 7, 2020 10:42 p.m. Edited.
Ah! Is that what those are? I happened to find my old cards and my Recurring Nightmare has that funny gold border, I didn’t know what that was. Fascinating
August 7, 2020 10:44 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #12
shadow63 someone may have an issue with it and if they reported to wizards the store is at risk to lose their wpn status assuming they have it. If it's not a wpn store it probably doesn't matter but I like having pre-releases.
August 8, 2020 2:03 a.m.
Depending on Groups. I dont play Proxys anyway, if i need a cradle i buy it. If s1 will play those Cards i had no Problem with this, its not my Deck. I keep my Deck clean with legal Cards.
August 8, 2020 7:41 a.m.
TriusMalarky says... #14
It is just a bunch of nerds hanging around someone's back patio, so it's not sanctioned.
August 8, 2020 10:04 a.m.
They're fine for edh, any people who get pissed are jerks. They should start selling gold bordered full sets and championship decks again too. I also support abolishing the reserve list and heavy reprinting.
August 8, 2020 10:06 a.m. Edited.
RNR_Gaming as far as I know theres no such thing as sanctioned edh play
August 8, 2020 10:51 a.m.
It's only sanctioned if its getting reported to wizards
August 8, 2020 11:01 a.m.
Oloro_Magic says... #18
That doesn't necessarily mean that the event is being put into the system at any risk to the store's WPN status, generally proxies are okay with permission of the pod.
The issue only really comes up if there is prizing, then people have the right to be upset, if a pod still doesn't want proxies then people find another pod. I used to run events for my LGS so I had to get really accustomed with the wizards event reporter, for our EDH day what I would always do is record it as Commander-Casual within the system and report no results. The whole point of it being "sanctioned" was basically so that we could record turnout and back when planeswalker points were a thing people would get their little amount for participating, if people used proxies we didn't care, and if for some reason all of the 7-8 pods we had going didn't want a player with proxies the staff would make a pod with that player but even that never happened we only sometimes had too many people.
So basically, from a store's perspective, because this was a casual event with no prizing, we didn't fear anyone using proxies, or alt art, or gold-bordered cards. For someone to report that they would have to be so upset that they contact the DCI independently and have our WPN status removed and we never had anyone that upset in a non-prizing event. If they still reported it, I'd like to believe WOTC has some semblance of a heart and is not going to revoke WPN membership for a casual Commander event, especially if the event didn't have prizing, however if your LGS does do prizing for commander events it could be a different story but I would still doubt it.
As for an elitist LGS, that sounds rough, hopefully it isn't as bad as you insinuate. Personally, I've always felt that its best to try and keep that out of the casual circles. If the pod is a cEDH pod, or its another format playing a competitive tournament sure, people can get upset sometimes if they are deep within that mindset, but keeping that attitude away from casual play has always been a priority in my approach.. No one wins from being like that in my opinion, especially in a format like EDH the goal should be to grow the community and increase interest in the game, not shame someone because they alter a card or can't afford a Gaea's Cradle, it's for fun, and should be approached by all players that way.
August 8, 2020 12:28 p.m.
Oloro_Magic says... #19
Sounds like a mixture between possible opportunists and honest mistakes by the staff, missing out of that Tezzeret kind of sucks though that is a decent card. I suppose the only advice there is to give which you likely already know is to just be alert when buying anything there, giving them some benefit of the doubt they can at least be forgetful.
August 8, 2020 1:02 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #20
So, the events are typically imputed as casual-events and still give participation points to help get the store to a better status that gives them access to more/better product. Like, the foil commander collection green.
Anyways, here's the rule(s) regarding proxies
(j) Proxy Cards. Retail Stores may only allow “proxy” cards in your Events as described in the current official Magic Tournament Rules. A proxy card is a card issued by a judge at an Event to replace a card that has become damaged during the course of play in such Event and may only be used for the duration of that Event.
(k) Counterfeit Cards. Counterfeit cards are unauthorized reproductions of authentic Wizards cards. Counterfeit cards are strictly prohibited by Wizards. WPN Members who knowingly manufacture, import, use or distribute counterfeit cards (or facilitate the same by a third party) will have their WPN Membership immediately terminated. Wizards reserves all rights in law and at equity to prosecute individuals engaged in the manufacture, importation or distribution of counterfeit cards
August 8, 2020 1:40 p.m.
RNR_Gaming says... #21
There was actually a dude at my store that reported our lgs for having drafts early. You never know what is going to set some people off which is why we have these rules.
Oloro_Magic says... #2
Like you say it kind of depends on your playgroup. Personally I have used them in a variety of commander decks without much issue in multiple playgroups over the years, maybe just the casual "go buy the real card expletive" or general banter, but never outright opposition to their use in casual pods, of course for cEDH I'd always go buy the real card.
The one thing you will have to watch with them though is the sleeves you use, they do have a different back so light colored sleeves are a no-go unless you are using shadowed inners and even then its better to be safe than sorry. I agree though some of the cards that have world championship printings are far too high in price for casual play so just getting the go-ahead from your playgroup should be fine.
August 6, 2020 1:54 p.m.