Why theasios and tymna considered strong commanders?
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Aug. 21, 2019, 4:45 a.m. by Nasser_inside1
Thrasios, Triton Hero and Tymna the Weaver
Why this certain commander(s) considered ‘most competitive’ on one commander list I saw earlier?
Nasser_inside1 says... #3
enpc if I were to build a deck around them, what would it be themed about?
August 21, 2019 4:57 a.m.
A deck around those two would be themed around winning and showing off your bling.
August 21, 2019 6:10 a.m.
GhostChieftain says... #5
It would be about playing your chosen combo as quickly, consistently, and protected as possible. The most competitive combos include "Breakfast Hulk", "Razakats" and "CST".
August 21, 2019 8 a.m. Edited.
@ GhostChieftain I don't really think those builds are honestly the definitive competitive builds for T&T. They are high quality tier 2 decks in a true competitive meta, but each of them in most of the standard configurations gets absolutely obliterated by T&T Inception. In fact the Inception strategy is so dominant in a true competitive meta consisting of high quality players and decks that it bumped every other archetype out of tier 1. While what you listed is certainly solid and top notch in most cEDH circles, they are far too vulnerable to the best strategy in the format to be considered the most competitive iterations of T&T.
August 21, 2019 1:04 p.m.
GhostChieftain says... #7
Fair enough. I haven't seen that deck played, so I wasn't sure.
August 21, 2019 6:34 p.m.
jaymc1130: while I have seen your deck and it's not bad, I also wouldn't call it the definitive Thrasios/Tymna list either.
Thus far the only hype/chatter I have been able to find for your list has come from you, which is not enough evidence alone to give it the title you think it deserves. Again. I'm not saying that it's a bad list, I'm just saying that before claiming it to be the be-all and end-all list, you will need more buy-in from the rest of the cEDH community.
August 21, 2019 11:31 p.m.
@ enpc I'm pretty aware the list is underrated and unknown. It's a strategy that originated in my playgroup that consists of 3 ex professional mtg players and myself as an ex semi professional player about a year ago and has only gotten stronger against the standard meta in that time frame. I can't help it if people have been slow to come around and the community at large hasn't accepted Inception strategies for what they are yet, all I can do is keep plugging away and hoping eventually the community catches on in time.
The results in nearly 500 some odd games of play at this point in various iterations mixing and matching the UB base of the strategy simply cannot be discounted however. The T&T iteration is considered the best because of just how consistently it performs and boasts a ridiculous 35+% win rate. If more than one Inception style strategy is in a pod that number actually jumps up to close to 45%. The standard prior best performers that include things like Food Chain, Flash Hulk (any variation), Consultation anything, Storm anything, etc perform so poorly against the strategy that most of the win rates for these decks were halved in that 500 some odd game stretch. Flash Hulk (in standard iterations) in particular saw its win rate drop to nearly zero as the single most fragile archetype in the format. Most of the other archetypes are lucky to post 20% win rates, and the clear standout has been Najeela strategies that actually manage fairly well against the Inception style strategies at just around a 25% win rate.
Not that the community at large is knowingly playing inferior and dated archetypes, but the fact of the matter is they have been very slow to recognize the weaknesses of various typical decks and the relative strength of Inception style strategies against those weakness inherent in those decks. I'm not exactly a huge figure or anything, and while I post on occassion here and there in the community it's not surprising to me that this reality has been a bit slow to catch on.
The best thing for folks to do is to actually try the archetype for 100 games against more standard things to really have a good understanding why the meta is shifting even if that shift is going to come very slowly as people prefer tried and true concepts rather than something new and very complex to play correctly for amateur/casual players.
enpc says... #2
A couple of reasons:
August 21, 2019 4:52 a.m.