UR Commander
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Feb. 5, 2016, 7:58 a.m. by capriom85
Wanna make a new EDH monster. I want it to function for solo and multiplayer games. I never played UR yet so I think that's what I'll do.
How do we feel about Jori En, Ruin Diver? He is new and unexplored much as far as my group goes. Seems like the advantage could be nice and easy to get. Merrill and Wozard make him versatile in UR.
Help???
capriom85,
I'm going to try her as an UR Artifact Commander at some point. But M a g i c a l H a c k e r is right. If you want a strong UR deck, go Mizzix.
ComradeJim270,
Circling back on your thread from the other day, Actually, Jori seems kind of cool ... any ideas?
February 5, 2016 10:48 a.m. Edited.
ComradeJim270 says... #4
I like her, and I'm still considering doing it at some point. Her power level is not as high as Mizzix, but she also offers more freedom in what to put in the deck. Mizzix is picky about what sort of cards you use. Also, she needs to be on the field for the deck to do its thing. Not as much with Jori.
I think with a Jori En list you want a high density of instants so she can pull through the deck during anyone's turn. Ideally a combo-control list so countering spells and using cantrips keeps your hand stocked up with countermagic and gets your pieces.
February 5, 2016 11:12 a.m.
I'm working on her right now. Got a playable, highly incomplete build right now that I still need to play a bit.
I think I'm going to focus on artifacts that synergize greatly with her (I always build around my commanders).
Some notable fun artifacts with her are Strionic Resonator, Unwinding Clock, Voltaic Key, Clock of Omens, Scroll of the Masters, Vedalken Orrery and tons of other cool things that I still need to look into.
Also another commander that greatly benefits from Command Beacon. Damn I love that card so much.
I think Buyback cards could also be pretty powerful with her. They help keep tempo so you can continually trigger her ability every turn. Probably the only ones to run would be Capsize and Clockspinning seems pretty decent with planeswalkers that are easily core to the deck such as Tezzeret the Seeker and Jace, Architect of Thought.
When I pump out a list soon I'll post it here.
February 5, 2016 11:54 a.m. Edited.
Oh yeah and Pyromancer's Goggles seems crazy fun. I really need a copy.
February 5, 2016 12:06 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #7
You can also have an alternate win con by putting Runechanter's Pike on her and giving her evasion.
February 5, 2016 1:24 p.m.
Thanks for all the ideas, TO! My point of settlement will most likely end up as a UR Goodstuff build.
Likely win cons: Runechanter's Pike because why not put all my cast spells to use?
Labratory Maniac because again, I very may draw myself right out of a game.
Vendilion Clique into Tunnel Vision is always fun (for me).
I also like to do things like Grand Architect and Pili-Pala for an infinite draw spell on myself or an opponent. This would also be absolutely bonkers with the above mentioned buyback spells.
I'm sure there are more fun synergies to choose from. Thanks for the ideas and keep em coming!
February 6, 2016 11:13 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #9
Hey, for extra fun... target yourself with Clique and Tunnel Vision, then overload Mizzix's Mastery!
February 7, 2016 3:29 a.m.
That could easily be a very nasty way to change a game. Lots of fun though.
February 7, 2016 9:54 a.m.
Deckologist says... #11
I tried her when she was spoiled. I really wanted her to work because she seemed gimmicky but not so busted that she would get the same reactions as let's say mizzix or melek would.
My results were unfortunately terrible and I will list why.
She offers you little advantage for your efforts. Unlike Sygg, River Cutthroat who lets you draw cards based off of your other opponents' decisions, potentially, jori makes you do all the work. A lot of times I found myself casting cards I didn't want to cast at terrible times just to try and draw into something game changing.
She almost doesn't want to work with izzet. I know some of you clutched your hearts and gasped as you read that and if you're just coming to from passing out then welcome back. Her ability wants you to cast meaningful spells but her colors sit there and say nope, need more mana. It's arguable that blue and red do have some of the greatest one drop spells in magic history but that's pretty much what you get. Playing 1 and 2 drop spells that give you minimal advantage even if jori lets you draw a card. I feel like if she were a 3 drop grixis General she would be a million times better simply for the ability to chain spells better. I tested this theory and came to the conclusion that casting dark ritual into demonic tutor and then in response to joris trigger castes vampiric tutor to ultimately sculpt a perfect hand was just the best thing since anything.
This may seem like a rehash of the previous point but her colors. Her colors just don't don't appropriate a solid wincon outside of comboing off (which once again mizzix and melek do better) or trying to do general damage via runechanters pike or diviners wand (which Arjun and Tibor and lumia do better) and her ability doesn't say spell slinger it essentially says here's a consolation prize for trying.
I know it seems like I'm bashing her and I'm sad to say it's not hard it's just that on pen and paper she seems like something that can be turned into a great deck when in reality all she is is a poorly designed draw engine.
/drops mic
February 8, 2016 12:24 a.m. Edited.
In theory I think focusing on Artifacts is likely the best way to go about using her. Drop rocks like Sol Ring and Mind Stone early game and then chain into color focused rocks like Izzet Signet and Gilded Lotus. Rocks like Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia are pretty awesome with her since they scale with your mana and can be played at any point in the game to trigger her ability. You get to focus on ramping while also maintaining decent card advantage. From there you can play insane spells like Epic Experiment or Commune with Lava or expensive control spells like overloaded Cyclonic Rift with mana to spare.
Like I mentioned in my previous post Vedalken Orrery is great with her and if you go with the artifact route you can play Shimmer Myr for additional support. Hypersonic Dragon can also be useful if you have important sorcery spells to play like Spelltwine.
Dualcaster Mage, Vendilion Clique, and Snapcaster Mage are all all-stars in the deck and probably should be in every build (I think a creatureless build would be pretty cool though).
With focusing on ramp you can probably just drop a Kozilek, the Great Distortion and lock out any 1v1 game.
February 8, 2016 3:26 a.m. Edited.
I think Deckologist hit on something important. She may not want to work outside of the 1 and 2 drop spell realm, which just about puts her out of the commander wheelhouse.However, there is a thing called Tiny Leaders and she seems to be streamlined for it. Restricted to stuff 3cmc and less? Cool: we already decided that UR has the best 1 and 2 drops in the game. Now, some of you are probably saying: "Oh, how wondrous! She lets you play several crappy spells and then draw into another one."Is that just what we want to do? If they are the best spells they will be keeping the game going and she will be a value engine for us. In a tony leaders deck that will by default (bc of colors) probably be running a lot of spells that have "draw a card" as a portion of its resolution, think of all the value we are getting out of this. Draw more cards, good? Duh!I mean, yea, maybe not even beat UR tiny leaders general, but isn't this probably the niche for her?
Quail also hit something cool. She works well with artifacts, many of which useful ones happen to sit at that 1-3cmc area. I think maybe I will still go to the drawing board for a new Commander general, but in just about sold on Jori as my new Tiny Leaders project.
February 8, 2016 6:29 p.m.
She's super cool for Tiny Leaders and definitely would make a decent general.
For EDH I agree she probably isn't that great, as EDH is all about high impact cards. I'm still determined to make a decent deck with her, but I'll probably eventually switch it to Tiny Leaders when I get bored of it.
February 8, 2016 10:54 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #15
@Deckologist: You're not quite wrong, but I think you're missing a few things.
If you want to make the best Izzet deck possible, sure... you just go with Melek and call it a day. In all likelihood that list would rarely even cast him, but he's still the go-to for an optimized Izzet list.
Mizzix is cool. But she does need to be built around.
What Jori has that's not "optimal" but is fun is that she's much easier to cast than Melek and paints a much smaller target on her head. She doesn't need to be built around extensively like Mizzix does; if you're doing spellslinging stuff you're likely to end up casting multiple spells a turn anyway. Artifacts work too; mana rocks into other things.
She's not all that good, but she seems kind of fun for a more casual list.
February 8, 2016 11:15 p.m.
75% EDH lists are always the best. Don't always have to go with the best available.
February 8, 2016 11:18 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #17
I'm not at all a fan of 75%, but yeah... you don't have to be all Spike about everything.
February 8, 2016 11:34 p.m.
Deckologist says... #18
She just didn't do it for me. I felt her value was limited. However, she may make it into my Mishra edh
February 8, 2016 11:38 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #19
Well if you're trying to use her to get a ton of value, I think you're probably going to be disappointed. She seems better if you use her because she just incidentally gives you cards sometimes.
February 9, 2016 12:22 a.m. Edited.
Deckologist says... #20
I still feel like Nin, the Pain Artist is leaps ahead of her though. Its essentially having a better blue sun's zenith on a stick. I feel like there really is no reason to play her...which is terrible
February 9, 2016 12:54 a.m.
Non scares me. I think I'll give Jori a whirl before I give up.
MagicalHacker says... #2
Building around her will take you to a spellslinger deck, which Mizzix of the Izmagnus definitely does better. There are more options for izzet commanders though...
February 5, 2016 10:09 a.m.