The most friendly way to win commander
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Feb. 24, 2015, 4:08 a.m. by tyforthevenom
I'm building a commander deck that does the following things: "allows" everyone to draw extra cards, punishes card draw, forces mass discard, punishes discard, my commander of choice is Progenitus coz full card access
Honestly, everything you're asking for falls under Nekusar, the Mindrazer. Why not just play him with all the Windfall effects plus all the Liliana's Caress effects? Feels more stream lined and your mana base won't run a fortune to be consistent.
February 24, 2015 4:27 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #4
I don't want to have a bullseye on me from the word go, having him as my commander does that
February 24, 2015 4:33 a.m.
Ok fine........... but then just copy and paste a Nekusar deck with Progen as your commander. You lose access to his abilities though.
I hate that casual players assume that Nekusar decks are good and target them. It's such a ridiculous thing to do.
February 24, 2015 4:44 a.m.
ChiefBell: How to word this... Targeting a deck that you've never seen because of its commander might seem ridiculous at first glance, but some commanders have the reputation of powering out relatively fast, relatively consistent wins at a kitchen-table-to-tuned level of play, and Nekusar is definitely on that list. A well-tuned, not necessarily high-level, but decent Nekusar list can kill a table in the time it takes to analyze whether or not it's actually straight-out-the-box precon or something that's been worked on. A lot of kitchen table players know this and can't afford to wait and see. It's honestly pretty reasonable.
February 24, 2015 5:15 a.m.
I hate out Nekusar players, not because I'm kitchen table and fear taking damage from their wheels though. I hate them out because I'm typically playing a 
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player and I'm afraid of burning myself out with my OWN draw spells :]
That being said, not wanting a giant target on your head is fairly valid, but I don't think you should let it dictate your decision process to the point that you're willing to basically just play a strictly worse version of the deck you actually want to play.
February 24, 2015 5:32 a.m.
Yes, very much so. Time Spiral is house in most ANYTHING that plays blue.
February 24, 2015 5:39 a.m.
GeeksterPlays says... #10
Card drawing for everyone; Howling Mine, Temple Bell, Dictate of Kruphix, Selvala, Explorer Returned for a different take on drawing in your favour, Fascination, Font of Mythos, Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, Prosperity, Teferi's Puzzle Box, Whispering Madness
Punishing discard; Liliana's Caress, Waste Not, Quest for the Nihil Stone, Geth's Grimoire, Megrim, Geth, Lord of the Vault
February 24, 2015 7:18 a.m.
erabel - Sure if you're kitchen table casual but in higher level play: nope. Played tournament level EDH, for reference. I understand that if you're not running like 1 mana removal spells then things like Nekusar are scary but seriously........ just start running 1 mana removal spells. You can get Swords to Plowshares for like $1 and Path to Exile for about $4. I mean really.
February 24, 2015 8:35 a.m.
ChiefBell's right. I run nekusar. It's probably one of my weakest decks even though I've worked on it the longest.
February 24, 2015 8:40 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #14
Contemplating putting Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience into mine
February 24, 2015 9:56 a.m.
Man, ChiefBell, we appreciate your work on this site, and i'm sure we all recognize you're a good magic player. Pats of the back all round.
But if you could embody a little more of the magic community spirit, and not leave needlessly combative comments in so many threads... it would be awesome. You can easily communicate your message without smugness or a 'higher-than'thou" attitude that is ever present. Perhaps instead of an undertone of "your idea is dumb", a more adult approach would be one of "I have tried the following, perhaps you can learn from my experience".
I don't expect the internet, let alone this site, to be a P.C. lovefest - But we all would probably enjoy this website (and magic as a whole) a great deal more if the community was more inclusive, and less dickish.
No. I do not care about your personal social development enough to get in a back and forth comment war with you about this; do not expect one. But I have been reading your comments for a about a year now, mostly while shaking my head, and thought this worth saying.You are active enough to be a community leader here. You could be a much better one.
February 24, 2015 10:15 a.m.
fadelightningmm says... #16
@ ChiefBell I've seen weak nekusar decks wreck it at tournament level and those 1 drop removal spells you mentioned are very white. I play mono green and don't have access to those.
Of all the nekusar decks I've seen the majority of them seem to be goodstuff.deck. I played in one tournament that had weird mulligan rules to ensure a more consistent play (reveal the top card of your library until you hit 2 basics. Remove those from the game you may draw one of those basics instead of drawing from your library). The nekusar guy had all the great value staples that were relavent so I blew his doors in. erabel has a fair assessment on nekusar a decent deck becomes a nuisance quick. In the interest of fun I would target the nekusar player because 67% of decks I've played against become Uninteractive games where nekusar has fun and everyone else shoots dirty looks at nekusar
February 24, 2015 10:25 a.m.
this is hilarious
tyforthevenom says... #13Contemplating putting Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience into mine
In a thread titled #The most friendly way to win commander
What everyone said is correct, you run nekusar or a deck like him. just use Nicol Bolas as your commander. I think that hate on nekusar is silly personally. i like it to stay around a few turns so I can draw. The problem with him really is that if you play him, I know every card in your deck usually. You can netdeck this like crazy.
February 24, 2015 11:11 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #18
Squire it is friendly when you're putting down Howling Mine and cards the like
February 24, 2015 11:23 a.m.
Leyline of the Void and Helm of Obedience is an instant win. If i play a 5cmc card that says target player loses the game, is that fun? Because that is what that is.
Let me give you an example. i play a druid EDH deck for my monogreen deck. It is built to win based on Helix Pinnacle. It is a 25% win rate maybe. But it has Gilt-Leaf Archdruid in there. I use this mainly for card draw. But if my back is against the wall i will steal lands. people hate that card and that is what everyone thinks of when they play it and that is what they see as the win condition. that is not my intention.
My point is that it does not even matter a little bit what you think is fun or how fun the game was before you start winning. Other players will not think that one-shotting them is fun.
i am just saying your statement about those cards being added was contrary to your premise. Do what you do.
February 24, 2015 11:30 a.m.
brcap: Fair enough. No issues with that statement. Sometimes I'm a dick and could do more. I do get tired of having to explain the same principle over and over again - hence combative and annoyed undertones but I should work on this probably.
February 24, 2015 12:46 p.m.
jandrobard says... #21
To paraphrase almost every history and/or holy book ever written: humans are not near perfect. When a line of text is all that gets seen, there is very little going on to convey tones or emotion beyond the crudest techniques. It's up to your brain to fill in what the person's post sounds like, and your brain is the main reason you screw up in the first place. I'm not suggesting a solution or calling anyone out, I'm just reminding people to lower their standards a little when on the internet.
February 24, 2015 7:25 p.m.
HeroInMyOwnMind says... #22
The goal behind your deck is a bit muddled for me. Do you actually want a "friendly" deck, or were you just being sarcastic? If you really want an effective card draw / discard deck, no matter which commander you choose, people will probably not have a good time against it. Like decks that tutor for infinite-based win cons, this is one of the more unfriendly ways to play magic for most people.
Is the idea just to have a group-hug discard deck? You don't need 5 colors for that, even without Nekusar, the Mindrazer. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf, for example, is another great commander to accomplish this with. If you really wanted to use a 5-color deck, and come off as a "friendly" target, you could always run Karona, False God. Those are usually built as group-hug decks, so people will assume that is what you are doing. I am not sure that trick will work more than once though.
tyforthevenom says... #2
I need card suggestions that aren't as obvious
February 24, 2015 4:15 a.m.