Most hardcore coubter to kari zev

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Posted on Nov. 23, 2018, 10:24 a.m. by Vman

So it started out as 1 guy. Then 2. Then 3. Now theres 6 players playing card:kari zev as their commander. In a super fast aggro/burn deck shell. Im talking duel commander 20 life. They take all the top 8 spots too.

Whats the absolute hard counter commander? Any suggestions?

cdkime says... #2

Kari Zev, Skyship Raider. You have to put the card’s full name and double brackets in order to link it:

[[Kari Zev, Skyship Raider]]

One option is prison/Stax. Aggro and burn count on having lots of creatures/spells very quickly. Slow them down and they tend to fall off in the later game.

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV ramps you and taxes your opponents. It also gives access to Blue’s counters and White’s Ghostly Prison, Leyline of Sanctity, and other tax cards.

November 23, 2018 10:36 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #3

Wait... you want a real, hardcore counter? Humility.

The errata text is better:

Humility -



Onto a commander that counters Kari Zev, at 20 life I feel Oloro, Ageless Ascetic for the lifegain and playing an esper control deck, with a proper removal and counter suite, with cards like Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Fatal Push, Spell Snare, and other hate, with the added use of sweepers like Supreme Verdict, Wrath of God, and Toxic Deluge.

Finishing the deck of with the use of Oloro himself to draw yourself to a card advantage victory. Make sure to run the proper draw-go instants that draw cards like Brainstorm, Opt, etc. so if you hold up mana for interaction you still have something to do.

November 23, 2018 11:05 a.m.

DrukenReaps says... #4

It would be worth while for you to look into anti-aggro/burn decks in modern, vintage, or legacy. The way you are playing is almost closer to those formats than it is to commander. The difference between starting with 20 life and 40 life is huge.

You could try to out aggro them with Najeela, the Blade-Blossom. With the low cost warriors this deck could be similar to Edgar Markov which is banned in 1v1 I think... Emmara, Soul of the Accord is another that goes wide so quickly she is really hard to keep up with.

Eight-and-a-Half-Tails and Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant are great answers to burn. Maybe the new Tajic, Legion's Edge?

Something of note is that red has an incredibly difficult time dealing with enchantments and the vast majority of their removal for creatures is damage. So if you can prevent damage or gain life consistently and keep drawing cards you should simply out value them. Red has major weaknesses and you should exploit them.

November 23, 2018 3:42 p.m.

Arby_Q says... #5

Karlov of the Ghost Council is worth a try. The life gain cards that a Karlov deck uses will help against red, and if they don't kill Karlov quickly, he will be too big to burn in no time.
Mono green is also an option. Red can kill people fast, but so can a swarm of critters. Green also has much more efficient creatures than red for 1 and 2 mana, making is easy to defend against red's early creature threats.

November 26, 2018 3:40 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #6

Just play 99 wraths and a Sol Ring. It works for me. I show them my opening hand, they scoop.

November 27, 2018 9:15 a.m.

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