Ghired being disrespected?
Posted on Aug. 2, 2019, 6:51 p.m. by Chhris
One of the 2019 Commanders is Ghired, Conclave Exile . I have heard a lot of chatter and good things from the other three commanders, but everyone seems to be sleeping on ma boi Ghired.
I know he's not cEDH material, but dayum, have we as mtg players become so hard to please? I feel like Ghired has a RIDICULOUSLY high ceiling compared to the others ( Helm of the Host ? ) Why do you think he's copping a lot of hate?
Ghired is neat, but he isn't all that strong. Populate is a bit of a slow mechanic in edh imo
August 2, 2019 8:05 p.m.
August 2, 2019 10:58 p.m.
August 3, 2019 2:42 a.m.
the issue is he's 2/3rds boros which is considered the weakest two colors, there isn't a lot of variation in card advantage.
August 3, 2019 2:49 a.m.
He asks for a lot of buildup, has slow payoff, and his entire deck is derailed with a single boardwipe. At least base creatures have recursion to bring them back. Tokens just vanish into the aether.
Speaking of which, he is Naya, not Jund. So kiss your recursion goodbye.
If they made him Jund but kept literally everything else on the card the exact same, he would be an unstoppable powerhouse. But by dropping black for white, he slows to a crawl.
- Implying I won't still play him
August 3, 2019 3:43 a.m.
Hell, even BLUE would have been better than white :c
Though I am seriously looking forward to Desolation Twin jank.
August 3, 2019 3:48 a.m.
I'd like to be fair though. Compared to the rest, he is very strong.
Madness requires a lot of open mana, setup, and careful plays. Looting requires a bit of luck, too.
Morph is an extremely difficult mechanic to work around and is for skilled players.
Flashback isn't that hard to deal with, but timing is everything. You need to be on top of your stack-game at all times, meaning this is a deck for seasoned players.
Populate? Clearly the easiest to pick up and learn. He is a Zoo deck at best and a Zoo deck at worst. He was clearly designed with new players in mind.
- Tap this, now play that.
- HEEEY YOU GOT ANOTHER RHINO! :D
I feel that, in this light, he is not up to par because the other three have a skill set well above "Turn sideways and hit their math with your math."
But, he draws in new players and Timmys like me. So, clearly he is "good enough".
August 3, 2019 3:55 a.m.
TypicalTimmy the morph commander doesn't just trigger off of the morph mechanic, it also triggers off of manifest (sadly Ugin, the Ineffable won't trigger it, still making the casting cost of morph cost 1 is sweet).
now being a fair Helm of the Host commander that's in the colors of all the stuff that really abuses it is nice.
August 3, 2019 4:35 a.m.
August 3, 2019 4:42 a.m.
Blade of Selves Terastodon , then populate the terastodon. Attacking. LOL Same way, Ulvenwald Hydra for value ramp or any non legendary eldrazi, like Pathrazer of Ulamog . Then there is the Timmyest of all: Armada Wurm . Attack with blade, create a bunch of tokens, then more tokens, then populate another one for more tokens. Now that you read this, think what happens with a Parallel Lives on the field.
August 3, 2019 9:18 a.m.
I think a deck like this needs all 4 of these in it
These would make it really easy to keep attacking with your cmdr and keep the pressure on
August 3, 2019 12:41 p.m. Edited.
I love token decks and I have a very well tuned green white token deck. And i always wanted to splash red in them for the punishment a board wipe would do to the opponents with cards like Vicious Shadows and Stalking Vengeance
It would also be really neat to have Purphoros, God of the Forge or Warstorm Surge and/or other effect like that in play, then put a ton of tokens out with something like Secure the Wastes or Finale of Glory
August 3, 2019 1:01 p.m.
Either this will reinforce your notion that he is a terrible General, or he will inspire you to make something as horrendous as mine. Either way, here ya go. I have tried time and time again to brew a Naya Tokens deck but I just couldn't find the right General. Muh boi Ghired is the stone that I was finally able to build off of.
Commander / EDH*
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August 3, 2019 11:45 p.m.
TypicalTimmy Thanks for the deck link!! will deffo suss it out. nothing horendous about him! #ghiredboisforever
August 4, 2019 12:13 a.m.
It's a casual Zoo deck. No removal because I just wanna play bombs and make tokens.
I might "sideboard" some hate, but then I play less bombs and tokens so idk.
Not every deck needs to be a Spike deck. Sometimes you just wanna have fun ;)
August 4, 2019 12:34 p.m.
Removal does not make a deck a spike deck. That takes the optimal efficient removal and efficient win cons. Even command zone suggests having removal and they are for sure a casual channel. Also, fun is subjective. For some it is dropping big bois, for others it is a fast interactive game, for others it is memeing your way through a game with a chair tribal deck.
August 4, 2019 12:54 p.m.
Good points all around.
- 1.) I don't know what to remove to slot them or others in
- 2.) I'd rather just play big meaty Bois, lol. At least, for this deck. I have others that are built "more normally".
August 4, 2019 1:01 p.m.
Thinking about it more critically over the last couple of days, many players are probably wondering what Ghired, Conclave Exile offers that Trostani, Selesnya's Voice doesn't already do, arguably with also a better secondary effect.
I think Ghired is trading out Tostani's set up cost for instant payout in the form of the Rhino token, contrasting it's addition of red to a deck for explosive aggression to Tostani's ability to stick around late game with the lifegain.
August 5, 2019 5:51 p.m.
I feel it's another case of unnecessary balance conservatism in a casual format. Ghired could have done well to be cheaper by one or two mana and/or have haste. It still wouldn't be cEDH material but at least less clunky.
August 6, 2019 2:27 p.m.
I will definitely be building a Bebop and Rocksteady deck.
The morph deck was revealed and has secondary theme of sneakyness (stealing/copying things) and as the spoilers come down for the flashback deck its clear that it is also a pillowfort deck... I really hope that Bebop and Rocksteady's deck has a cool secondary theme like death triggers (see above for things like Stalking Vengeance and Vicious Shadows )
Naya aristocrats would be a neat twist.