Ghired being disrespected?

Commander (EDH) forum

Posted on Aug. 2, 2019, 6:51 p.m. by Free_Iona

One of the 2019 Commanders is Ghired, Conclave Exile . I have heard a lot of chatter and good things from the other three commanders, but everyone seems to be sleeping on ma boi Ghired.

I know he's not cEDH material, but dayum, have we as mtg players become so hard to please? I feel like Ghired has a RIDICULOUSLY high ceiling compared to the others ( Helm of the Host ? ) Why do you think he's copping a lot of hate?

DrukenReaps says... #2

Seems to me they are all getting hated on.

August 2, 2019 7:50 p.m.

GhostChieftain says... #3

Ghired is neat, but he isn't all that strong. Populate is a bit of a slow mechanic in edh imo

August 2, 2019 8:05 p.m.

DaWubber says... #4

He looks like a ton of fun with Godsire , ETB effects off of Mimic Vat , an Eternalized Adorned Pouncer , and all the things that really shouldn't be tokens with God-Pharaoh's Gift .

August 2, 2019 10:58 p.m.

DaWubber has the right idea. Don't forget Grove of the Guardian , Feldon of the Third Path and Awaken the Sky Tyrant .

August 3, 2019 2:42 a.m.

Demarge says... #6

the issue is he's 2/3rds boros which is considered the weakest two colors, there isn't a lot of variation in card advantage.

August 3, 2019 2:49 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #7

He asks for a lot of buildup, has slow payoff, and his entire deck is derailed with a single boardwipe. At least base creatures have recursion to bring them back. Tokens just vanish into the aether.

Speaking of which, he is Naya, not Jund. So kiss your recursion goodbye.

If they made him Jund but kept literally everything else on the card the exact same, he would be an unstoppable powerhouse. But by dropping black for white, he slows to a crawl.

  • Implying I won't still play him
August 3, 2019 3:43 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #8

Hell, even BLUE would have been better than white :c

Though I am seriously looking forward to Desolation Twin jank.

August 3, 2019 3:48 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #9

I'd like to be fair though. Compared to the rest, he is very strong.

Madness requires a lot of open mana, setup, and careful plays. Looting requires a bit of luck, too.

Morph is an extremely difficult mechanic to work around and is for skilled players.

Flashback isn't that hard to deal with, but timing is everything. You need to be on top of your stack-game at all times, meaning this is a deck for seasoned players.

Populate? Clearly the easiest to pick up and learn. He is a Zoo deck at best and a Zoo deck at worst. He was clearly designed with new players in mind.

  • Tap this, now play that.
  • Swing

I feel that, in this light, he is not up to par because the other three have a skill set well above "Turn sideways and hit their math with your math."

But, he draws in new players and Timmys like me. So, clearly he is "good enough".

August 3, 2019 3:55 a.m.

Demarge says... #10

TypicalTimmy the morph commander doesn't just trigger off of the morph mechanic, it also triggers off of manifest (sadly Ugin, the Ineffable won't trigger it, still making the casting cost of morph cost 1 is sweet).

now being a fair Helm of the Host commander that's in the colors of all the stuff that really abuses it is nice.

August 3, 2019 4:35 a.m.

Demarge says... #11

Blade of Selves Bogardan Hellkite s. I'm sure my brain can think of something more broken to do with it, but this is funny.

August 3, 2019 4:42 a.m.

mr_lag says... #12

Blade of Selves Terastodon , then populate the terastodon. Attacking. LOL Same way, Ulvenwald Hydra for value ramp or any non legendary eldrazi, like Pathrazer of Ulamog . Then there is the Timmyest of all: Armada Wurm . Attack with blade, create a bunch of tokens, then more tokens, then populate another one for more tokens. Now that you read this, think what happens with a Parallel Lives on the field.

August 3, 2019 9:18 a.m.

griffstick says... #13

I think a deck like this needs all 4 of these in it

These would make it really easy to keep attacking with your cmdr and keep the pressure on

And with the 3 of the 4 I mentioned you can use red damage based board wipes, like Starstorm and Faultline and others to wipe the board and keep yours.

August 3, 2019 12:41 p.m. Edited.

griffstick says... #14

I love token decks and I have a very well tuned green white token deck. And i always wanted to splash red in them for the punishment a board wipe would do to the opponents with cards like Vicious Shadows and Stalking Vengeance

It would also be really neat to have Purphoros, God of the Forge or Warstorm Surge and/or other effect like that in play, then put a ton of tokens out with something like Secure the Wastes or Finale of Glory

August 3, 2019 1:01 p.m.

vasarto77 says... #15

all of them suck egg noodles.

August 3, 2019 4:03 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #16

Either this will reinforce your notion that he is a terrible General, or he will inspire you to make something as horrendous as mine. Either way, here ya go. I have tried time and time again to brew a Naya Tokens deck but I just couldn't find the right General. Muh boi Ghired is the stone that I was finally able to build off of.

Ghired Dead Redemption

Commander / EDH* TypicalTimmy


August 3, 2019 11:45 p.m.

Free_Iona says... #17

TypicalTimmy Thanks for the deck link!! will deffo suss it out. nothing horendous about him! #ghiredboisforever

August 4, 2019 12:13 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #18

It's a casual Zoo deck. No removal because I just wanna play bombs and make tokens.

I might "sideboard" some hate, but then I play less bombs and tokens so idk.

Not every deck needs to be a Spike deck. Sometimes you just wanna have fun ;)

August 4, 2019 12:34 p.m.

Removal does not make a deck a spike deck. That takes the optimal efficient removal and efficient win cons. Even command zone suggests having removal and they are for sure a casual channel. Also, fun is subjective. For some it is dropping big bois, for others it is a fast interactive game, for others it is memeing your way through a game with a chair tribal deck.

August 4, 2019 12:54 p.m.

PepsiAddicted says... #20

id totally play a chair tribal

August 4, 2019 12:56 p.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #21

Good points all around.

I know I can drop in a Wrath of God , a Martial Coup , heck even a Fight to the Death .

  • 1.) I don't know what to remove to slot them or others in
  • 2.) I'd rather just play big meaty Bois, lol. At least, for this deck. I have others that are built "more normally".
August 4, 2019 1:01 p.m.

DaWubber says... #22

Thinking about it more critically over the last couple of days, many players are probably wondering what Ghired, Conclave Exile offers that Trostani, Selesnya's Voice doesn't already do, arguably with also a better secondary effect.

I think Ghired is trading out Tostani's set up cost for instant payout in the form of the Rhino token, contrasting it's addition of red to a deck for explosive aggression to Tostani's ability to stick around late game with the lifegain.

August 5, 2019 5:51 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #23

I feel it's another case of unnecessary balance conservatism in a casual format. Ghired could have done well to be cheaper by one or two mana and/or have haste. It still wouldn't be cEDH material but at least less clunky.

August 6, 2019 2:27 p.m.

I will definitely be building a Bebop and Rocksteady deck.

The morph deck was revealed and has secondary theme of sneakyness (stealing/copying things) and as the spoilers come down for the flashback deck its clear that it is also a pillowfort deck... I really hope that Bebop and Rocksteady's deck has a cool secondary theme like death triggers (see above for things like Stalking Vengeance and Vicious Shadows )

Naya aristocrats would be a neat twist.

August 6, 2019 3:04 p.m.

bohlandc says... #25

While I don’t think Ghired is cEDH by any stretch, I think he can be powerful. He is my take on it, seems to be playtesting pretty well, but am playing it for real tomorrow against four other decks. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated. If it doesn’t run well, might cannibalize it and make a Mayael deck.

September 16, 2019 midnight

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