Several things; & some questions for this...

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Posted on March 6, 2019, 2:12 p.m. by BMHKain


BMH: Introspected, & Introverted; The UnExperience

Commander / EDH* BMHKain

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Alright. I think I know where this deck should go. However, w/ all such garbage in the fray, I actually have more to ask than show as a result. Here we go... Again.

  1. It seems my creatures seem to have an ETB theme in mind; most notably for the use of Eldrazi Displacer . What exactly do you think would be a good alt in a situation where ol' Displacer: Enemy of Eldrazi, & their Ultra Beast from there? How to protect this?

  2. After watching a recent episode of GAME KNIGHTS, one such combo jumped out of the water. Perplexing Chimera & a Bounce Combo ( Eldrazi Displacer again.) to not only get the permanent you traded for, but also getting the Chimera back. Is this legit?

  3. We seem to have a Flicker/ETB theme for the most part. What would you recommend in Yennett's colors ( BTW.) for alts, or even protection?

  4. Word on the Street states Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , & Shimmer works when you state "Swamp", thus Phsasing out all lands for each players turn. If this is incorrect, is there a way to improve on this? I mean, Urborg does Phase back in on the End Step (Is this true...?~), so, what could go wrong, & what to recommend for supplemental? Actually, is Blanket of Night better than Urborg though? I just wanted to be sure as Tomb of Yawgmoth is a land, but I dunno how well it works for Shimmer ...

  5. I dunno why, but I thought of Putting in a Doomsday package in. After being suggested Predict , I have Laboratory Maniac , & Pact of Negation . I also have Gush after changing my mind. But I still have only 4/5 Pieces. I also want to use this whenever I use DOOMSDAY on the same turn I draw it; while ending games with the package. What would be the last card you'd recommend? Besides Lion's Eye Diamond , & Yawgmoth's Will , of course.

  6. If I would put the following combo in: Maralen of the Mornsong + Necropotence + Children of Korlis in, is it really better to put Leonin Arbiter in in place of Mindlock Orb ? It does cost less, & his ability to bypass one's own ineptitude of searching is great. Plus, I've too much anyway. I think I should cut down. What about you?

  7. With the opinion that Mnemonic Wall will be added, how should I abuse the following effects?: Silence , & Darkness (The latter only fits as my life, Vorthos-wise, is currently in quite a state...)? What? I wanted to use a Fog effect, but there were too many in … 3X

  8. Since this deck is meant for the largest amount of hate possible, how does Leyline of the Void & Tormod's Crypt seem here?

And... That's all my questions worth asking. I'd really like an opinion on all these. That said, I wonder about what to do after this...

...Though 5 Color Gates.dec might seem like a great idea... Thoughts?

SynergyBuild says... #2

The combo works... but is super weak. A sweeper kills it, it takes 3 mana to use once put together, and is 8 mana and 2 cards. I would not run it.

March 6, 2019 2:51 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #3

Doomsday is sweet value btw. Predict is run in a lot of piles.

March 6, 2019 2:52 p.m.

BMHKain says... #4

@SynergyBuild: Yeah... I'd like it better if it were a Neowalker w/ an Emblem as a one-sided Humility ; sadly, not one exists thus far, & I expect the same to be so in even War of the Spark (WAR). I'll remove the combo from there. As for Doomsday ; I'm trying to piece together such a combo; & I got thus so far...

  1. (Unknown use of mana outside of staples like Gush , Lion's Eye Diamond , & Yawgmoth's Will . Unsure if this is possible.)
  2. Cast Frantic Search . Draw 2, Discard 2, Untap 3 Lands.
  3. Cast Laboratory Maniac
  4. Counter whatever in your way w/ Pact of Negation
  5. Pay 2 w/ Gitaxian Probe for the win.

Though what to replace w/ Predict would be even better still. Still, the combo needs some kind of gas to fill up the tank; & I'm not sure if it even exists.

Though I still have a lot that needs answers though. For now; I'm making the damned Gate Deck...

March 7, 2019 10:36 a.m.

BMHKain says... #5

@SynergyBuild: Well, after finding out there WILL be 36 Walkers in (WAR), There Will Be Blood. (The Movie Name... :P)

Anyways, I'm still asking about what to do about a certain Doomsday combo to use w/ your suggested Predict . I'm obviously focusing on Decking Out, & Winning w/ Laboratory Maniac . I'm also using Pact of Negation as protection. That's 3/5 pieces for the Domsday Device. What would you reccomend after this? Also NO Lion's Eye Diamond or Yawgmoth's Will , please.

I'm quite surprised enough Tibalt is returning, & Sorin, & Jiang Yanggu + Mowu... & some newbloods that look like badass walkers. To be honest, I want a New, INFINTELY SUPERIOR Tibalt for Superfriends, & I'd LOVE to know how it took SOOOO Long for Sorin Markov to break his stone casing; I mean, he's as strong as Ugin, who's on par w/ Nicol Bolas until recent events (Most Likely...). I, mean... he could just punch a hole in Nahiri's Stone Encasing, & try & follow her from here. Also, still NO Garruk Wildspeaker reappearence? I wonder if he's dead... /endrant

Also, what's better; Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , or Blanket of Night ? I want to use this w/ Shimmer , so... Opinions?

Is there also, any alternatives for Knowledge Pool in the Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir combo, & if so, how good are they as well?

Considering I'm thinking of running Leyline of the Void & Tormod's Crypt , should I bring back Angel of Despair ?

Should I run Leonin Arbiter over Mindlock Orb ? & what about the following for this combo?: Maralen of the Mornsong , Necropotence , & Children of Korlis

Is this too much? I'm already discombobulated by the idea of XXXVI Walkers; & not one, Garruk. He'd be a true hero for killing a, now, Agent of Bolas. Where the crapola is he? He hasn't been seen once since Core Set 2015... X/

March 8, 2019 2:10 p.m.

BMHKain Totally jumping in on this for the lore, I was just reading a few articles about the packs in this set... It's been confirmed that the buy-a-box promo WON'T be one of the 36, maybe that's where they're throwing in Garruk? Especially if they make him planeswalker hate then it'll persuade people to buy the boxes. He's gotta be efficient though, otherwise the pricing will be way off.

WOTC is missing out by not including Garruk. If I were them I would include him in some place separate from the other walkers. Buy a Box or potentially in the next set later on in the story (might be completely wrong about this, not sure if this is a block with two sets or just one)

March 10, 2019 7:39 p.m.

BMHKain says... #7

@scotchtapedsleeves: Hmmm... Well, I just need to get my mind out of this for now. Backing this on topic like some rando's Uncle's Ratty Old Pickup (Actually, that sounds stupid in my book, considering my current status as an Uncle myself... :/), I still probably need some advice for several things; I have too many decks to cut until the legal 100 card max.

I'm still working on a Doomsday Package. Predict seems good (According to a Primer for this, it counts as 1+2, for a Three Point Avg alone. I'm using Laboratory Maniac , Pact of Negation (Unless Foil is good for you as well.), I don't want to use Lion's Eye Diamond , or Yawgmoth's Will , but I do need a mana source... So, we have three cards to use: Predict , Laboratory Maniac , & Pact of Negation / Foil . Any two ideas that would work here?

Here's some hate though: I'm trying to make a combo w/ Shimmer , but I'm wondering which of the Following is better: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , or Blanket of Night . The Former is a land, but I dunno if phasing Urborg is good or not. Blanket of Night isn't a land; & is odd casted as well. Thoughts?

For the Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir + Knowledge Pool combo, can you think of any alts for the latter? Just wondering...

Since I'll be running Leyline of the Void & Tormod's Crypt again, should I replace Ashen Rider w/ Angel of Despair again?

Is this combo too much?: Leonin Arbiter + Maralen of the Mornsong + Necropotence + Children of Korlis ? How do you think it works; & is it effective? Should I just keep the latter 2 instead if not?

Anyways, that's all I have for now; though I still have some things to finish up at this time. I'll see you all later.

March 11, 2019 9:26 a.m.

BMHKain says... #8

ATTACKU OF THE KILLUH SHIBA INU WOLVES!

I'm still working on a Doomsday Package. Predict seems good (According to a Primer for this, it counts as 1+2, for a Three Point Avg alone. I'm using Laboratory Maniac , Pact of Negation (Unless Foil is good for you as well.), I don't want to use Lion's Eye Diamond , or Yawgmoth's Will , but I do need a mana source... So, we have three cards to use: Predict , Laboratory Maniac , & Pact of Negation / Foil / Force of Will . Any two ideas that would work here?

Here's some hate though: I'm trying to make a combo w/ Shimmer , but I'm wondering which of the Following is better: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , or Blanket of Night . The Former is a land, but I dunno if phasing Urborg is good or not. Blanket of Night isn't a land; & is odd casted as well. Thoughts?

For the Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir + Knowledge Pool combo, can you think of any alts for the latter? I can think of Omen Machine , but are there any others? Just wondering...

Since I'll be running Leyline of the Void & Tormod's Crypt again, should I replace Ashen Rider w/ Angel of Despair again?

Is this combo too much?: Leonin Arbiter + Maralen of the Mornsong + Necropotence + Children of Korlis ? How do you think it works; & is it effective? Should I just keep the latter 2 instead if not?

Also, I'm working on a Superfriends Primer if anyone cares; it's WIP though...

March 13, 2019 8:56 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #9

Some lists use a 4 black line with Dark Ritual in it as a budget include.

March 13, 2019 9:04 a.m.

BMHKain says... #10

@SynergyBuild: Which means I'm back to Square^3 W/ Dark Ritual , Pact of Negation , & Laboratory Maniac . Whatever this 4 Black Line is, I'm keeping Negation as at least it can be casted w/o mana anyway. Damn... I'm stuck alright... What last two I wonder... Predict seems like it's off the table, so forget the 2+1 Bonus...

March 13, 2019 10:20 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #11

If you can hit Gush consistently, or are okay with a Frantic Search line, those exist too. Up to you.

Some lists go Frantic Search, draw Lab Man and a draw 2 like Night's Whisper, draw into a Reanimate and a Gitaxian probe, Reanimate the Man and probe into win.

I haven't played a lot of Doomsday to know non-LED/Will lines. Ritual could replace LED in some ways, if you can get a Will, otherwise the line seems too expensive.

March 13, 2019 11:08 a.m.

BMHKain says... #12

Hmmm... I think I might have the Package set up...

  1. Have 3 Lands Open (Preferably 2 sources, & 1 ).
  2. Cast Frantic Search ; Draw 2, Discard 2, & Untap 3 Lands. Discard Maniac.
  3. Cast Night's Whisper , Draw 2, Lose 2 Life.
  4. Reanimate the damned maniac.
  5. Gitaxian Probe for the win.

Irony is; How to access card 1? I guess I might already have many of such to worry about that anyway... XP

March 13, 2019 2:08 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #13

Aminatou/Top openers are very hard, however anything works for that line, Ponder , Preordain , Brainstorm , Opt , etc.

Just make sure if you use a Impulse effect you set the pile up like:

Frantic Search, Gitaxian Probe, Reanimate, Whisper, Lab Man, so you can take the search, bottom the Whisper, Reanimate, and Probe, then cast Search and win

March 13, 2019 2:12 p.m.

BMHKain says... #14

Yeah, I was figuring something along the lines of Cantrips; such a deck already has enough of this to work somehow. Well, another issue down. Thanks.

March 13, 2019 2:20 p.m.

BMHKain says... #15

@SynergyBuild:

WARNING

The big enemy is approaching at full throttle. According to the data, it is identified as "1000-Ri no kuroi mibōjin/1000人の黒い未亡人/The 1000 Black Widows".

(Man... I freaking loved IKARUGA. Great memories; even with a great score, awesome gameplay mechanics, I think this is what Neptune was referring to about Old School Games having the greatest nostalgi- WAIT! Nostalgia is s---! I'm trying to develop a Colorless Planeswalker OC in terms of having only as the Mana color, while being human! What would this require? I got to make a second verion of that form post again... Crap.)

/endrant.

Apparently I forgot to mention one minor detail about Graveyards; they can become Exile Zones entirely; how? How's this: Rest in Peace , Planar Void & (ESPECIALLY) Leyline of the Void . So, grave use is out when it comes to recurring anything. As a Result; Unearth , & Reanimate are both out...

Here are the two patterns so far:

: Frantic Search , Gush , Pact of Negation (?), Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . Package Cracker: Basically any Cantrip.

: Dark Ritual , Night's Whisper , Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . Package Cracker: ???

I understand you are currently in a bind about this; so I hope this helps:


The EDH Doomsday Primer

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BTW, I'm working on a primer myself, though I dunno how to make it THIS good... :/ What kind of Hardcoding to do...

March 14, 2019 1:40 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #16

I have no idea what you just said.

No clue.

March 14, 2019 2:51 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #17

Ikaragu?

March 14, 2019 2:52 p.m.

BMHKain says... #18

@SynergyBuild: Sorry. My nostalgia for an amazing game of yore got the best of me. Please disregard.

Anyways, I wanted to add a new level of restriction for whatever means necessary when having your Doomsday Package exiled. My above post stated three primary ways to lost this; so recursion like Unearth , & Reanimate are all out. I already have the Primer up there, as well as making my own for Superfriends; though I dunno how to hardcode this as well as the one above. As I stated earlier:

: Frantic Search , Gush , Pact of Negation (?), Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . Package Cracker: Basically any Cantrip.

: Dark Ritual , Night's Whisper , Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . Package Cracker: ???

Then again, for laughs, I wanted to also include a only Doomsday Package, but that's for another time.

But as I'm also making a Primer, I'd like to ask someone how to do it in a way the one above does this... I, mean, I'm thinking of a 1-5 Star Rating system as well...

March 15, 2019 8:59 a.m.

BMHKain says... #19

BUMP ME A TRUE ANCESTOR, NOT A FEMALE SABER UNIT THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE EACH OTHER, & IS GOOD!

@SynergyBuild: It's been some time since we talked. I might a well throw this together for a Doomsday Package:

Frantic Search , Gush ? (Still unsure), Laboratory Maniac , Gitaxian Probe . Still need 1.5 other cards though, but how would you implement Predict in this combo? I'm also trying a parody on this for fun.

This is what I got: Wild Guess , Tormenting Voice … & that's it. Opinions or thoughts on either? How would you make this better?

March 20, 2019 12:38 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #20

Sorry, I didn't see the March 15th msg!

March 20, 2019 12:52 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #21

Prolly not Predict. I remember the predict combo tho:

Predict , Laboratory Maniac , Unearth , Gitaxian Probe , Street Wraith

It is pretty simple.

For a rakdos doomsday combo: Grenzo, Dungeon Warden , Zealous Conscripts , Goblin Sledder , Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , Priest of Urabrask

The line is draw+cast+activate Grenzo, then flip priest, get 3, use 2 for activation, hit Kiki, copy, priest, have 4, activate again, hit sledder, then sacrifice sledder to itself targeting Grenzo, so it is a 3/3, activate again, hit Conscripts, untap Kiki, go infinite, swing, win.

March 20, 2019 1:07 p.m.

BMHKain says... #22

@SynergyBuild: Well, how I do my share of Bumping is O.V. the Top, so we're even. Alright, maybe Predict should be out of the Question; the Primer above posted on March 14th stated stuff like Unearth , & even Reanimate are both trash. So at least we have 3 pieces we can confirm are not truly needed.

I mentioned the combo as a joke combo, even though , , & even will never get their "Planarshifted-Styled" variant on Doomsday ; but just imagine what the name for the mono-color variants outside of the original: = (I can't think of one right now... X/) = (I still dunno...X/) (I'm thinking of some kind of name for either that's one word, but is like a Doomsday situation, but in those colors.)

That said, I think I might have my package settled for this case...

Frantic Search , Gush (Or something...), Pact of Negation , Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . If I had a challenge for card creation, it's simple, make a "Functional" version of Doomsday for all but mono colors but . Do you thin this can work? I added Pact as a protective element. In case you wanted to know...

March 20, 2019 2:21 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #23

Nah I get the line, a big too mana intensive for me, needing a frantic search to start, 2 islands, and 2 cards in hand ready to discard., I think Gush before search allows you to discard the islands. You could just float the mana from them for the rest.

Otherwise I think doomsday would be broken in any color other than black. Black's power is in tutors, and Doomsday is flavorful. Any other color would make it too good.

March 20, 2019 2:29 p.m.

BMHKain says... #24

@SynergyBuild: Lulz. Never thought I'm saying this, after I found how a damned Accordion works here, I had to decide to do something like this as a Wincon in (Mardu). Though what CMDR to use is something I still dunno… Not Counting Mayael variants Kaalia of the Vast , or Aggro Zurgo Helmsmasher , Vamps w/ no support for this (Any Mardu CMDR of C17's Vampire Tribal.), Weenies Alesha, Who Smiles at Death , much less Aikido Queen Marchesa . Same also goes for Partner CMDRS. One Wincon in question allows Doomsday , but I wanted an all Package. I wonder what I can use for this; as I've little options; maybe Mathas, Fiend Seeker could be good? Tariel, Reckoner of Souls ? I doubt Oros, the Avenger will do anything... Ideas?

March 21, 2019 9 a.m.

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