Naked Singularity

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Posted on Nov. 18, 2016, 1:55 p.m. by ADTPG

I was wondering what the rules were for using Naked Singularity in commander. Is it's colour identity all 5 colours, or is it considered colourless?

pskinn01 says... #2

All 5

November 18, 2016 2:02 p.m.

DrukenReaps says... #3

i might be wrong so use your google fu but it looks to be a 5 color identity since it includes mana symbols and they are not reminder text

November 18, 2016 2:02 p.m.

Lifa says... #4

903.4: The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card's mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).

Tldr; only 5 color because it sees the mana symbols in the rules text box as well.

November 18, 2016 2:06 p.m.

clayperce says... #5

ADTPG,
It's a five color card.

From the official rules, under Deck Construction:

"A card's colour identity is its colour plus the colour of any mana symbols in the card's rules text. ... Cards in a deck may not have any colours in their color identity which are not shared with the commander of the deck."

November 18, 2016 2:06 p.m.

Color identity for edh deckbuilding includes:

  • all mana symbols in the mana cost (Elvish Mystic)

  • any color indicators on the card (front or back for DFC) (Pact of Negation/Arlinn, Embraced by the Moon)

  • characteristic defining abilities that define color (except for Devoid) Most replaced by color indicators

  • any and all mana symbols present in the text box of the card (outside of reminder text see Crypt Ghast

November 18, 2016 2:09 p.m.

ADTPG says... #7

thanks, wasn't sure, unfortunately that means I can't use it in chaos deck. :(

November 20, 2016 7:36 p.m.

joelfg says... #8

The problem with that is that all of those produce mana such as All sun's Dawn, Crypt Ghast. If this card had the words typed out (i.e Swamps produce White) it could be used in any deck. This is the effect of the resolution of the spell and has nothing to do with the object itself. I don't understand how this can work that way.

December 6, 2016 5:39 p.m.

All Suns' Dawn, Crypt Ghast.

Mana isn't represented by the color word, but rather the symbol for that color. A card that uses the color word in its text most likely has something to do with characteristic defining abilities or token creation, not mana production.

Your last two sentences, could you please elaborate?

December 6, 2016 7:38 p.m.

joelfg says... #10

Basically, while the card has all 5 mana symbols on it, it doesn't interact at all with that. Most cards that are color defining have some sort of ability that interacts with that mana symbol. Memnarch requires blue to activate, Bosh, red, The signets provide mana, etc. To me it would be like a male having a tattoo of a woman on their body and now he is identified as a woman. there is nothing on this card that identifies itself as one of all of those colors.

December 9, 2016 9:10 p.m.

joelfg says... #11

I wanted to say, I understand that the rules say it is, I just fail to see why.

December 9, 2016 9:56 p.m.

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