Looking For a Card To Shuffle Only Your Hand Into Your Library In U/G
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Posted on Oct. 15, 2017, 2:07 p.m. by C4rnif3X
I can't find one, i've been searching for a long time. I'm trying to assemble a semi-game winning combo where I need to shuffle my hand into my library.
Cards such as these arn't what i'm looking for..
I don't want my opponents to get this effect for the combo, and I can't be drawing that many cards I shuffled back with what Whirlpool Rider offers.
I'm looking for an exact effect where only you shuffle your hand into your library.
Anybody know of one in U/G colors, or an artifact with this effect?!
Ya.. I did that. Nice overused google cliche. Did you not read the part where I said I was searching for a long time?
October 15, 2017 2:45 p.m.
rob_shifflett says... #4
After looking at the results from agry's results and doing research myselfi found nothing. Maybe not be so dismissive, especially when asking for help.
Your best bet would be to discard what you are trying to shuffle and use a shuffle graveyard into library affect. Though without knowing what you are trying to do, it will be hard to be helpful.
October 15, 2017 3:15 p.m. Edited.
rob_shifflett Using a "Why didn't you use google" comment is the most dismissive thing you can do. That's why I said that, it wasn't meant to be argumentative, nor disrespectful.. Just pointing out comments that offer no help.
Thanks for checking anyway, as I said, i've been looking for a while myself to no avail.
Your suggestion would work, however the combo involves drawing my entire library, using Windfall, and with Library of Leng in play I'd discard to library. So i'm trying to figure out how to either skip drawing back that many cards with Windfall, or just drawing the cards and shuffling my hand into library.
October 15, 2017 3:34 p.m.
SteelSentry says... #6
You could just run LabMan. Alternatively, Abundance, Parallel Thoughts, and Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar are all just good cards that also prevent you from decking if you use their ability. Alternatively, you could play Obstinate Familiar for the fun of it.
October 15, 2017 10:53 p.m.
If you've already checked gatherer and scoured the internet, you might have the answer you're looking for (and I'm pretty sure as well) - it doesn't exist. You'll have to use a combination of cards to get the result you're after. Scroll Rack might be a good starting point for the combo.
Out of curiosity (and to help get some context), what is the end goal you're trying to achieve?
October 16, 2017 1:36 a.m.
October 16, 2017 4:45 a.m.
enpc - Ya I don't think it exists.. Just figured i'd check with people on here for something fringe I might've missed. There has been many times deck building where I search for cards that synergize together in gatherer, but then i'll be watching something on YouTube and see a card i've never seen before that should've appeared in a gatherer search.
The combo i'm trying to figure out goes drawing all of my library with Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Thrasios, Triton Hero with infinite colorless mana, using Windfall, then each other player would loose on thier next turn. So i'm trying to figure out how to shuffle my hand back into library so I don't get milled out. Library of Leng is the closest thing i've found so far, since i'd discard to my library.. But Windfall would just make me draw that many again.
I know it sounds like a convoluted combo, but it really isn't since it comes up quite often with a bunch of wheel effects producing colorless for Kydele.
October 16, 2017 2:49 p.m. Edited.
Have you considered switching over to BUG and playing Notion Thief? Then you can play all of your Windfall/Time Spiral/Timetwister/Teferi's Puzzle Box/Memory Jar degeneracy with impunity.
October 16, 2017 11:45 p.m.
C4rnif3X: I think I understand what you're trying to do but just to be clear, are you wanting to windfall with your whole deck in hand so each of your opponents draws theirs and then in their draw step has no cards left and losses?
October 17, 2017 12:41 a.m.
sylvannos - I'm pretty locked into my two current commanders, and all the cards I built around them. Though it could be a consideration for later.. I get pretty bored of combo decks after a while.
enpc - It's not the main win-condition of the deck, but yes it is something that I can do when I go infinite with colorless mana, and i'm trying to figure out a way to just outright win from drawing my entire deck aside from just playing Laboratory Maniac.. I've always thought it was dumb, but might just have to be the answer haha.
October 17, 2017 1:30 a.m.
Unfortunately I don't think you're going to be able to make that work the way you want to.
First off, it's worth pointing out that if a player would draw a card from an empty library, they lose then and there - not at their next draw step.
The issue is that at the time of resolution of Windfall, you will need to have enough cards in your hand to force the player with he most cards still in their library to deck out. However once Windfall actually starts resolving, you can't interrupt the spell mid way through. You would discard, then draw equal to the greatest (which should be you) AND THEN you could do the next thing. This however would make you deck out, ending the game in a draw.
In the above scenario, you could use a replacement effect such as Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar which, like Laboratory Maniac, would stop you from losing the game (in the case of labMan you would win outright) as you never actually "draw" the card.
October 17, 2017 2:14 a.m.
enpc - Ya I know, the combo is to draw exactly all my library.. And exactly not one more into an empty library. Then Windfalling, which still wouldn't mill me out, just have my whole deck in my hand again. Ultimately make my opponents loose at the beggining of their next draw step if nothing happens ideally. It's a well known combo with people who play these pairs of commanders.
My only problem is I didn't know if there was a safer similar combo or other way of going about it so I don't get milled out by somebody casting a draw spell on me or whatever. I don't think there is so eh. I run Kozilek, the Great Distortion for this exact reason, and drop him before doing all this. Can literally throw all my cards at whatever.
October 17, 2017 2:48 a.m. Edited.
PrinceAlbert says... #16
Hopefully you've figured something out by this time. But if not... first thing that comes to my mind is using brainstorm to put cards from your hand ontop of your library, and then activating a fetch land to shuffle it.
July 2, 2019 6:23 a.m.
OtherWorldlyShadow says... #17
Hidden Retreat might be a card that fills this niche, assuming you would have an instant or sorcery to target. You should also be able to target it as many times as you want, putting any number of cards from your hand onto your library to make sure you could not be forced to draw and lose.
August 24, 2020 2:16 p.m.
Maximariusmagillius says... #18
Have you looked at midnight clock? Includes graveyard too but I use it in my card-draw deck
Argy says... #2
Let me Google that for you
October 15, 2017 2:40 p.m.