Is it possible at all to make a Boros-Only Doomsday Pile?

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Posted on March 22, 2019, 1:34 p.m. by BMHKain



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I, uh, actually wanted to make a Doomsday package w/ this as an optional wincon (Though the CMDR is yet to be fully confirmed.). There is only ONE restriction, though. All parts of the pile must have either , , , or any combination of the three. With no (Resulting in a lack of Laboratory Maniac , Gitaxian Probe , even Yawgmoth's Will .) to back this up, & the idea of Decking out to win out, I wonder for myself what I can do w/ this. Since this is, basically, only, this is essentially the hardest thing Doomsday can do. What to do for a pile is still unknown. I've yet to even choose any of the pieces. I do know that Faithless Looting , Wild Guess , & even Tormenting Voice would only make the pile worse. I'd like some suggestions anyway, though; but w/ only 5 cards to choose, one multiplier out of the equation, maybe there's another way; I mean, I can only imagine infinite burn, but this is / only anyways; maybe there's another way? I'm now open to debate. Oh, & is out despite being in the CMDR's Color Identity; JSYK. Any ideas?

UPDATE: LITERALLY forgotten one important factor in such a situation. (Though there might be more after the fact.) Say, for instance, your Graveyard is now an Exile Only Zone. This means stuff using the yard will be utterly useless. This is to show what this deck can really do in a pinch. Apologies for this; though I'll have to say this over & over if needed...

SynergyBuild says... #2

Faithless Looting , Karmic Guide , Felidar Guardian , Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , Red Elemental Blast .

Cast FL, discard another card and F-Guardian. Flash it back, mill the Kiki, keep the REB. Cast Karmic Guide, Return either F-Guardian to flicker Karmic Guide or Kiki to copy guide. go infinite when you have F-Guardian and Kiki. Hold REB for protection.

March 22, 2019 1:41 p.m.

BMHKain says... #3

@SynergyBuild: Apologies about this; just forgot the situation when cards like Planar Void , Rest in Peace , & even Leyline of the Void are in play. Didn't want to disappoint in such a short notice, but I suppose you have other ideas? Also, why not Rebuff the Wicked ? Aside from Faithless Looting (Which is practically out.), the rest are permanents at least...

March 22, 2019 2:30 p.m.

iAzire says... #4

Not Rebuff the Wicked because that only works for spells that target a permanent you control. It doesn't help to counter spells your opponents might cast to counter your spells.

Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast can counter the most common counterspells because most of them are Blue. If you're stuck on using White, Mana Tithe will tend to be more useful than Rebuff the Wicked.

March 22, 2019 11:07 p.m.

BMHKain says... #5

@iAzire: Hmmm... Alright. Dunno how useful Mana Tithe will be though; I mean, the mana cost to negate it seems too easy to pay either. Besides, the initial 5 card pile seems to be mostly Permanents anyway. I also added a new restriction to the combo to combat decks that force exiling as a terminal replacement for the Grave; essentially negating any card of the 5 card Pile. But, I'd also like an opinion on Mana Tithe though. How much of the time does it even work w/o anyone paying even Colorless? this might be a problem on its own, & not all targets that either Red Elemental Blast , nor even Pyroblast (I prefer the latter anyway as the choice isn't as forced.) can beat have anyway. Which would mean the other 4 would have to be Perms unless ol' Tithe paid in Blood & Guts can work here.

But the situation stands; I'd still want suggestions for parts of a pile that bypass the need for a grave for reasons above; & if one doesn't remember: these are the reasons: Planar Void , Rest in Peace , & even Leyline of the Void . I was liking the idea for Felidar Guardian , & Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , but what other two, besides the protection in question yet again, would be used? & if all 4 cards are Permanents, why shouldn't the 5th be Rebuff the Wicked ? Oh, wait: It doesn't help to counter spells your opponents might cast to counter your spells. So why Mana Tithe ? I'm discombobulated anyway... >.<

March 23, 2019 11:17 a.m.

Chandra585 says... #6

While a card is on the stack, it is not a permanent yet.

March 24, 2019 5:19 a.m.

BMHKain says... #7

@Chandra585: Oh. But what exactly is the use of Mana Tithe when it's so vulnerable as it takes only to swat it. I wonder what kind of use it might have. But I'm still wondering about the Other 4 pieces of the Doomsday Pile, al while keeping it only, as well as finding some way to bypass the Exile Zone in a permanent status. I don't suppose anyone has a clue as to how? I was thinking Kiki-Jiki & Felidar Guardian myself, but anything else is still a mystery even. We have 2.5 pieces of the Forbidden One; 2.5 as in "I dunno how the bloody hell Mana Tithe can work at all...". If it works like it should, good. I'm raising it to 3. otherwise, Pyroblast isn't so helpful either unless all threats have to be ...

Any idea for two other pieces of the pile?

@SynergyBuild: I dun suppose one should use Tithe in the first place? & what about the other two pieces? I already have Kiki-Jiki & Felidar Guardian in the confirmed of the 5 card pile. Any better ideas for the other two besides stuff for defense, & doesn't require the grave? I'm curious myself...

March 24, 2019 1:42 p.m.

BMHKain says... #8

BUMP YOUR PROTECTION OUT!

I still want to know a based Doomsday Pile for this. All while using the following restriction:

UPDATE: LITERALLY forgotten one important factor in such a situation. (Though there might be more after the fact.) Say, for instance, your Graveyard is now an Exile Only Zone. This means stuff using the yard will be utterly useless. This is to show what this deck can really do in a pinch. Apologies for this; though I'll have to say this over & over if needed...

I have Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , & Felidar Guardian . But the choice regarding Mana Tithe is too much for now. I want to know how useful it really is, & if the targeted spell's owner will Voluntarily pay to negate it. Pyroblast would be my only other card left, but it only affects cards. But what about two others that don't have to sac themselves as the other 2 cards remaining? I still dunno about protection, but what to use as a combo w/ Kiki & Felidar? I'd like some suggestions at some point. Also working on a Gate.dec Deck, but development is FEVERISHLY slow. I wonder if that'll ever get done...

March 27, 2019 12:34 p.m.

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