I somehow need help again; w/ U Weenies...

Commander Deck Help forum

Posted on Oct. 23, 2018, 11:41 a.m. by BMHKain

I really only need help w/ one thing; the creatures themselves. In fact, some of these are ETB based, so they're going to have to stay. Same for Tap effects that can be repeated. But I still have a lot to remove; & I haven't actually started w/ the other card types yet...

However, since I have only 2 stat swap creatures, I'd actually like some suggestions for this...


  1. All cards must be either 1/1, 1/>1, >1/1, or even 0/>=1 if needed...

  2. I'd also like some effects that can be varied, I already got Milling, Counterspell Effects, & other stuff. Though I think I might have too much, so whatever cut can work (Oh, & that Giant Crab at 1/6? That's actually needed... X/)

  3. Are Equipment/Auras really needed here? I already have Frozen AEther for minor Stax...

  4. I'm trying to find replacements for Venser, Shaper Savant, & Spellskite within Rule 1's requirements.

Sorry that I need help again, but this is crazy when this deck's starting goal is 30 creatures, maybe more if we count that I want some loops to repeat either ETB effects or Tap Effects. Any ideas for either?

Thanks for the help so far. I however do plan to make the Jeleva Deck myself if one still cares... Good luck! :D

Kederekt says... #2

Three things, first: tetsuo is a dude. Second: add quietus spike so that whenever equipped creature deals damage to a player they lose half there life. And third: add twisted image so you can swap power and toughness of a 1/* and draw. Good luck!

October 24, 2018 9:40 a.m.

BMHKain says... #3

@Kederekt: o_0|||

Um... I really need to rename my deck completely if Tetsu-chan is actually Tetsu-kun... Is Tetsuko Umezawa really a Dude? I'll see to it to rename my deck as if my perception of the commander is false. I just want other proof first...

The rest of the comment? Quietus Spike looks like it won't just be for Gorm or Virtus anymore... I wonder what Twisted Image does... I'll edit the comment to find out...

Okay, it seems to be another target for Isochron Scepter. So I can reuse this w/o fail while I have Paradox Engine in play... Thanks. :)

October 24, 2018 10:18 a.m.

BMHKain says... #4

Just checked the Clan Umezawa section of the MTG Wiki...


It literally states Tetsuko Umezawa is, in fact, a woman. No deck name change is needed for now...

October 24, 2018 10:23 a.m.

Kederekt says... #5

Wow. I’ve been reading it wrong this whole time. Plus, clearly has breasts. Tetsuo from my favorite books is a guy. Tetsuko must be a descendant. I can’t believe I missed that.

October 24, 2018 10:29 a.m.

Kederekt says... #6

I have a tiny leaders deck that is the same concept and commander. Lots of fun.

October 24, 2018 10:30 a.m.

BMHKain says... #7

Well, I suppose we can negate Ruling 3 as it seems some do care about this Fugitive. That said, I wonder if there is a 1/1, /1, or even a 1/ with similar effects to Spellskite, & Venser, Shaper Savant? I think I might have one for the former, but I dunno about the Latter; it has to have a Triggered ability to react to even Split/Second Effects... Also, what creatures w/ inferior H4X to cut... & is all those equipment really necessary? Also, I really need a combo for either Timestream Navigator or Magosi, the Waterveil in Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive's colors. Any ideas? & how to put Navigator from the bottom to the top of my library to use her again? W/O Enter the Infinite? Otherwise, is there another combo for Magosi that can work here? Thanks so far! :D

Edit: Spellskite apparently does apply as Tetsu-chan's ability can apply to Power/Toughness of <=1 for either stat. I just need to find a replacement for Venser that triggers, while having the requirements for Tetsu-chan's stat abilities... One down...

October 24, 2018 12:15 p.m.

Kederekt says... #8

It’s hard for blue. I would think Tamiyo's Journal or Ring of Three Wishes are your best bet for getting something back.

October 24, 2018 12:52 p.m.

Kederekt says... #9

I would add more clue related cards to make the journal more feasible if you go that route. As for cards with specific abilities and wording, I would recommend the gatherer on Magic’s website.

October 24, 2018 12:54 p.m.

BMHKain says... #10

Hmm... Looked it up. Blue doesn't seem to have much for clues to warrant Tamiyo's Journal. I guess I could disregard the Time Walking effects...

If that's why you mentioned both Tutors...

October 24, 2018 1:09 p.m.

Kederekt says... #11

Yes it is. Tutors are the only way I can think of to get the card of the bottom, and with blue, artifacts are really your only choice.

October 24, 2018 1:22 p.m.

Kederekt says... #12

You could look here http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-of-edh-tutor-cards/. Maybe you’ll find something you like.

October 24, 2018 1:24 p.m.

BMHKain says... #13

Actually, I changed my mind about Temporal Magic. I'll remove the possibility for now... I'll continue from here though...

October 24, 2018 1:29 p.m.

BMHKain says... #14

Checked the URL. Nothing. Resuming progress from the current rulings...

October 24, 2018 1:35 p.m.

BMHKain says... #15

Okay. I completed the Deck's Landbase. Now I need to do the following:

  1. Add more Sorceries, Enchantments, & Artifice (If Equipment is negligible here...)

  2. Add a decent array of Counterspells.

  3. Shave a huge amount of stuff off of the creature count.

I hope this isn't too much... Thanks again for helping! :)

October 25, 2018 10:10 a.m.

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