cEDH Phelddagriff
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Posted on Dec. 5, 2018, 11:16 a.m. by SynergyBuild
When you look at Phelddagriff, I assume you see group hug, maybe some political action, who knows. Not cEDH, however it's trample ability give an opponent a creature, and for two green you can make sure an opponent has more creatures than you, what does this mean?
Now imagine you could then have no creatures in your library, milling into Memory's Journey, and as this is on your upkeep, you can choose to only put one card in your deck, or drop the Journey and run Nexus of Fate, getting infinite turns to kill with a 4/4 flying pheldagrif.
Do you all think this could work? 7 mana per turn isn't easy, but isn't impossible. Memory's Journey is a 'save card' with Pull from Eternity to get us back into the game if we can't go infinite turns. Krosan Reclamation if your Memory's Journey is countered.
Unlike Hermit Druid, we can run basic lands, but we can't run creatures like Laboratory Maniac for an easy win... so no easy win there.
Any thoughts?
KillDatBUG says... #3
That requires so much setup, though. You have to play Oath, then cast the hippo for 4 mana, then activate, and then wait until your next turn to combo with Oath, and then also have 7 mana so you can actually cast Nexus. Even with ramp, that's turn 4 at its fastest, with turn 5-6 being more realistic. And yeah you can technically play other ways of winning with or without Oath + your cheap interaction etc., but then you're just playing a worse version of Tymna Thrasios.
December 5, 2018 11:29 a.m.
rockleemyhero says... #4
I agree with KillDatBUG. Like you could do that combo with any general and no creatures in the 99, but you are severely limiting your ramp, and greens greatest asset in cedh are 1 mana dorks. But if you really want to build hippo, you do you. There’s some cute stuff with Intruder Alarm you could try with a creature that taps for G+ for infinite mana with phel out.
December 5, 2018 11:41 a.m.
To add to the above, this also means completely dropping creatures. That means no birds, pilgrim, etc. or any other utility you want to run. The grif is also Bant, which means you lose access to black tutors. In bant, your primary tutors hit creatures. I'm not saying your idea doesn't hold water. It just comes with a huge opportunity cost (not to mention the set up and mana costs associated with going off).
Unfortunately cEDH has gotten so tuned and so inbred that making extremely optimized lists around a suboptimal gameplan has become incredibly difficult.
December 5, 2018 11:42 a.m.
SynergyBuild says... #6
I built a much better Karona, False God deck, stacking the triggers, but more often Beast Withining an opponents threat like a Food Chain then going off with Oath, with Karona as backup-backup.
After testing, you all are right. I use Yawgmoth's Will and Memory's Journey to storm off in my graveyard as a wincon, and though I might be able to do the same with Nexus and Pheldagrif. I was mistaken.
Thank you all!
enpc says... #2
Card for reference:
Phelddagrif
December 5, 2018 11:21 a.m.