Cards like Goblin Cannon?

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Posted on Dec. 18, 2018, 9:06 a.m. by SynergyBuild

Currently, I need an infinite mana outlet. This combo is in an esper deck, the outlet must be an artifact, and it also has to be 4 cmc or less. Whetstone, and Goblin Cannon both work, but neither are good cards outside of the combo, so I am left with these dead outlets, are there any outlets that have inherit value outside of the combo?

BTW my infinite mana combo gives colorless mana.

enpc says... #2

You can use Walking Ballista which is better than Goblin Cannon in 99% of situations.

Staff of Domination, while not an outlet itself, will allow you to dig for an actual win condition.

December 18, 2018 9:20 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #3

enpc Actually I looked over those, the combo uses Tezzeret the Seeker to fetch it out, so Walking Ballista would enter with 0 and die, Staff of Domination has the issue of needing an alternate wincon in deck, and unless you can find one that doesn't need to be cast, the Arcane Laboratory/Rule of Law/Eidolon of Rhetoric effects the deck runs will stop that.

Apologies from me, I am sorry I didn't explain that well!


I am still considering staff however, because I might not have the Rule of Law effect, but for not I really want to find one that just wins without needing to cast other cards.

December 18, 2018 9:33 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #4

enpc it says you commented but I can't see it xD sometime around 20 minutes ago?

December 18, 2018 10:03 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #5

EDIT: Whoops, accidental comment here, ignore me!

December 18, 2018 10:46 a.m.

Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek for infinite life, thopter tokens and ETB Triggers?

December 18, 2018 12:14 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #7

Like the idea, don't get me wrong, but winning in one turn with one outlet is the goal!

December 18, 2018 12:22 p.m.

just tutor for foundry with tezzeret and have sword in graveyard via Entomb or any artifact sac outlet and its game over

Mirage Mirror can clone the whole battlefield at once

you can use Phyrexian Portal as a Doomsday with Laboratory Maniac in play

Rings of Brighthearth for infinite ability activation copies

December 18, 2018 12:26 p.m.

DrukenReaps says... #9

Cogwork Assembler might be one of the better options. You just make hastey tokens of itself and swing. Even better if you have some other artifact you can copy like Myr Battlesphere but not needed.

December 18, 2018 12:47 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #10

The portal is really cool xD I never heard of that one, but Rings of Brighthearth is already being used, however I will look into the Mirror, sadly none of these really solve the problem of immediately winning, infinite life and thopters will often still be beat by Tazri/Thrasios milling me or any storm deck, doomsday deck, or Lab Man deck winning without dealing damage. Apologies for not really like the suggestions, but thank you anyway!

December 18, 2018 12:48 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #11

DrukenReaps actually... wow. I think that works? I'll have to check, but I might be able to break that one.

Sadly, I am unsure it is a ton better than the Cannon outside of combo, 7 mana is a lot.

December 18, 2018 12:50 p.m.

DrukenReaps says... #12

Yeah 7 is a lot but running 10 or so artifacts with ETBs like Myr Battlesphere, Meteor Golem, or Spine of Ish Sah makes it more viable both with and without the combo. A lot of the good ones are a bit heavy on mana though...

December 18, 2018 1:12 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #13

I jot it down as an option, thanks man!

December 18, 2018 2:52 p.m.

Oooooor you play KCI :)

December 18, 2018 3:42 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #15

WizardOfTheNorthernCoast I don't think you want to get more mana as a way to win when you have infinite mana.

December 18, 2018 4:08 p.m.

Pervavita says... #16

Staff of Domination at the vary least can combo off for infinite life so not bad at all. At that you just need a way to weaponize the life with something like Aetherflux Reservoir. I know it's a 2 card combo but both you can grab and if you have the other and are not useless on there own.

December 18, 2018 4:29 p.m.

theres really not that many options printed for what you spekd

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nothing in this article is 4cmc or below besides staff of domination and Trading Post, and the thopter foundry combo, staff gives you infinite life and draw so your only real options are anything already mentioned or staff infinite draw and labman.. if you want something artifact based instant speed wincon esper doesnt have a lot of haste, but infinite thopters from foundry goes infinite with Disciple of the Vault for damage, idk i mean if there were any other <4cmc artifacts with repeatable activated abilities worth mentioning they would have been said. cant find any other suggestions searching gatherer, but those are your options

December 18, 2018 5:08 p.m.

Voltaic Construct and Umbral Mantle make infinite creature and abilities? and you can use Karn, Silver Golem to turn any artifact into a creature for infinite taps

December 18, 2018 5:29 p.m.

goodair says... #19

Outside of some of the cards people already mentioned, I don't think there is anything really left if your not looking to jump through extra hoops.

December 18, 2018 8:37 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #20

Hmm... rough goodair

December 19, 2018 8:51 a.m.

Rod of Spanking is good if your opponents have no dignity.

December 19, 2018 6:41 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #22

TheAmazingSteve

Wow... beautiful.

Okay, new deck, Rod of Spanking and 99 cards meant to fetch and abuse it. Arcum Dagsson in the command zone for increased efficiency.

December 19, 2018 8:48 p.m.

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