Posted on Aug. 10, 2018, 5:29 a.m. by Kilrane
I saw a deck featuring Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer as the commander and it made me think about how I'd like to run him and an idea came to me: the old hate cards would absolutely destroy my meta. Most people run
Jund or a slice of Jund with being the least played color and of course being pretty popular. The more I thought about it the more Hanna, Ship's Navigator spoke to me as the commander due to her being a recursion engine.
Justice+Blind Seer kind of jank just makes me smile. So does Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth+Karma. I've tried to find a comprehensive list for cards like this but found bits and pieces of them. What are some of your favorite color hate cards in Azorius?
You're right that specific hate cards can be quite good against some metas, but there are also times you draw the wrong kinds of hate pieces. These types of decks tend to have really high variance in effectiveness. Also, it's worth nothing that if you Acid Rain someone out of the game, they will likely take it ten times worse than if they just got hit by Armageddon. The level of push back and salt you'll get will be quite high.
August 10, 2018 9:07 a.m.
Salt is a bit of the point. I've got low electrolytes and I'm all out of Brawndo.
August 10, 2018 4:55 p.m.
Use words. Just creating hate decks won't actually 'teach' others anything and they may feel like turning this strategy on you. Basically you're not likely to have fun with this approach, especially in the long run.
August 10, 2018 5:06 p.m.
What are you talking about? I just want to build a janky theme deck and asked for help with cards.
August 10, 2018 5:39 p.m.
TheDevicer’s concern is a valid one. There is a reason these cards fell out of favour - they are not fun to play against if they shut down your deck, particularly if they leave everyone else at the table mostly unscathed. Since these cards don’t tend to be the most powerful, your opponents feel as if you’re being difficult for the pure sake of being difficult - not to actually win the game.
If you want a card suggestion, Iona, Shield of Emeria is well worth considering.
August 10, 2018 6:26 p.m.
What I'm talking about is this: You walk into your store with your janky deck and play a few games where you practically shut specific players out of the game. They're likely going to think your primary objective was to invalidate the gameplay experience for them specifically. It's not going to be about running some old janky hate cards for them. It's going to be about you personally picking on them. If they feel personally targeted, they may return the favor in kind and make sure your play experience will be as unfun as possible in the future. None of this solves any issues in your playergroup. The way you avoid frustration among people is by clarifying expectations and fostering open communication.
I'm a hardcore spike and all I want to do is play cEDH. My best friends all want to play at a step below that power. No one is going to have fun (not even me) if I come to our sessions with Shimmer Zur or something.
You're headed down the wrong path, my friend.
If you want to play Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer and make sure people can still have fun, think of running cards like Ghostly Prison and Hushwing Gryff over cards like Rest in Peace and Acid Rain. If you want to run graveyard hate, for example, Rest in Peace is a fantastic card but can lead to a graveyard focused deck to struggle immensely. You can contrast it with something like Jotun Grunt which can still make sure they don't go out of hand but can still allow graveyard players to have fun.
August 10, 2018 7:12 p.m.
You guys are making the assumption that I am playing this against strangers at an lgs. I only really play with very competitive people in a small (4-6 players at a time) circle of friends. I typically play group hug (see my highest rated deck) and janky tribal because I like budget and using unknown cards with odd interactions. This deck's purpose is to be a departure from my reputation as a group hug player.
August 10, 2018 8:26 p.m.
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV is a solid generic hater, and Chalice of the Void works well too. Will you run stuff like Nevermore or Pithing Needle? There are also a lot of cards that give upkeep costs to things like Kataki, War's Wage or Breath of Dreams.
If you add black, you get access to stuff like Nether Void, Gloom and Blood Funnel. In fact, Mishra, Artificer Prodigy makes a great combo with these cards (your Sol Ring gets countered, then you search your graveyard for a card named Sol Ring and put it into play).
August 11, 2018 12:50 p.m.
Gideon's Intervention, Stonecloaker, Orim's Chant + Isochron Scepter, Glowrider, Spelltithe Enforcer, Windborn Muse, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Blind Obedience, Grand Abolisher. This is by looking at my binder, if they are not cheesy enough for you I apologise
August 16, 2018 10:18 a.m.
Epidilius those are great! Thanks!
firecast92 some of those are definitely getting added, thank you.