A War on Sparks vs how much crap to cut... (More Superfriends...)

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Posted on April 22, 2019, 2:23 p.m. by BMHKain

The hardest thing I had to do... ...Is to clear the mind.


1000% Spark Storm (EDH Superfriends Primer)

Commander / EDH* BMHKain

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Well over 40 cards to cut... & several to actually add. First, the adds.

Firstly, I'm planning a Flicker Element on this. Aminatou, the Fateshifter is on there on purpose as it allows infinite Flickering w/ Felidar Guardian . But I've no idea if this is good as much as Venser, the Sojourner ; as he does this at the end of End Steps; far too late for effects being used here. At least I'm keeping Sundial of the Infinite for end step effects, & even something of more use than even Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast this time... ( Saheeli, Sublime Artificer ) But I want more options for Flickering my Walkers; & I have stuff from WAR that are REALLY good; thus I'm unable to choose what to cut from them. I'm focusing on using Static Abilities to bypass even Humility as well as stuff no other walker before could ever use. But what to cut is really hard this time; do I cut Deploy the Gatewatch ? What's a better CMDR Walker: Najeela, the Blade-Blossom or Sliver Queen ? Should I even use Shocks in place of BFZ Duals? That, & keep Crucible of Worlds ? Aside from that, the Landbase is fine IMO. Wraths, & especially the overuse of Walkers is still a problem to get to 100 Cards. If you have any opinions for what I need to cut; or add, from the Flicker ide in the first place, let me know. One last thing, Can Venser's +2 still occur, even if he leaves play? I don't just want to be restricted to just Aminatou you know. Any other ideas for blinking for infinite combos are also recommended.

Thanks again in advance for the help! ^_^

BMHKain says... #2

BUMP

I think the first question to ask is: Which Walkers should be cut? What is better: Aminatou, the Fateshifter X Venser, the Sojourner ? How do I incorporate Flicker effects w/o Felidar Guardian for simpler & more compact combos? Do Tibalt, Rakish Instigator , & The Wanderer do too little here as well, & if so, what other Static-Ability Walkers also deserve the cut? & is Vraska, Golgari Queen really that bad?

Question 2: What would you cut for something else non-walker based? Is Niv-Mizzet Reborn a better 5 color CMDR for Superfriends? What about Najeela, the Blade-Blossom ? In honor of his memory & sheer badassery, what would be the best Gideon "GJ-Combo-Finish-Man" Jura for Superfriends? I really would like to add one here.

Question 3: Crucible of Worlds is here for the Tap Fetches, & Cycle Duals to use over & over. But should I replace the BFZ Duals for the Shocks of the same identity each?

Question 4: Can you think of any better options out of the 43 needed to be cut?

Question 5: Since we're dealing w/ stuff that's no longer just Doubling Season , what would you recommend for alts; or even stuff that Proliferates crazier that what's in the current slate?

Question for fun: I was told my Primary Mana Color is for my raw emotion, & rarely having any real fun; that & considering is known as the color of "The Lovers", is attracted to even cute Anime girls in ways that make me want to make a Waifu Army. But I also stated I had a secondary Mana Color: . Narset, Parter of Veils is stated consistently as part of the Autistic Spectrum (I myself am slightly Aspergian.). My intelligence is stated to even be that of a madman, blurting out whatever is in my mind, be it ideas, or just mere non-canon fantasies. I also believe "Progress" can apply to everyone; Serial Arsonists, Tree Huggers, 911 operatives, even those who believe Paradise, Damnation, even Tariel, Reckoner of Souls is truly an existing part of reality; heck even my Anime-Ichorstained mind might even believe Cray of Cardfight Vanguard might even exist; most likely outside our Universe but it's still possible.

So this means I'm currently . Izzet League Level Madness. Is it possible I might have a third color of an amount so small, I still dunno even?

2nd Question for Fun: The Wanderer is stated to require Kinetic Energy to make her more powerful. Since Kinesis is the use of Kinetic concept; does this also apply to other kinds of Kinesis' as slight as even Hydrokinesis (Water Control), or even as powerful as Photokinesis (Light Control)?

Alright, we have some starting questions. I'd appreciate some answers for some ideas please... Fire or trigger away, please. ^_^

April 23, 2019 11:16 a.m.

BMHKain says... #3

DOUBLE BUMP = DOUBLE TAP

I really would like your help on this, please. I already mentioned a lot of things to be of some help on this; as well as for stuff for fun. But what to cut for, & is there any other options for Flicker effects for Walkers?

Also, just to show if I can find whatever third color I am:

Selesnya Conclave

Yes. I'm unemployed. I doubt making a fighter would count as game developer status even.

Azorius Senate

If I had a Resume; I'd update it whenever it's needed. IF I had one.

Golgari Swarm

OF COURSE I rat on those who think even Cremation is right! Being pumped w/ a Carcinogen (Formaldehyde) is also the worst way to honor thy dead. How should I die? Just get a damn spade, dig a hole, put me in to decompose, just so I come back from the dead in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse, K?

Simic Combine

Well, grinding time for MAX Stats Pocket Monsters is basically the same as grinding for any game w/ similar design, so... Yes.

Well, it doesn't count for now, but I do want to do 23andme. Anyone have a price for this?

Well, I've reached Izzet League; but no real feats I relate to are in there; that, & the only thing Linux based at my house is my GCW-ZERO Emulation Handheld; & I'm pretty sure that doesn't count. AT ALL.

These are my confirmed qualities from a test TolarianCommunityCollege mentioned out of all this. you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGe7mGtoabc (Yes, I'm using URLs as the Links don't work. Dang.

Maybe my minor color is ? I'm no Nature Lover, I'd rather design a scarecrow staight out of... well, let's say, users NEED tech in their lives. XP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ftGUG7GRLE

But I'll reiterate the question: what would you cut, & what to add?

April 24, 2019 11:48 a.m.

SP3CTR3_chelts says... #4

What is better: Aminatou, the Fateshifter X Venser, the Sojourner ?

For this I think Aminatou is better as she can be used to rest planes walkers or combo with felidar and also ult with doubling season (would get rid of your doubling season though). I do understand that Venser's abilities are a bit more powerful but i would go with aminatou.

Do Tibalt, Rakish Instigator , & The Wanderer do too little here as well?

short answer ditch tibalt keep the wanderer.

The reasoning is that anydeck that cares about life gain will get rid of him pretty easially and his tokens do not mean much in edh and anyone who does not care will just ignore it. The wanderer on the other hand is a nice addition preventing your planeswalkers from being burned is great and she is exile removal! A great addition to the deck.

& is Vraska, Golgari Queen really that bad?

not if you have enough tokens but i would probably not use her for the deck unless you are going with najeela as the commander. either of your commander choices (najeela or niv) would make good i would go niv if you are looking for a longer game or najeela if you want a wincon on legs.

"GJ-Combo-Finish-Man" Jura for Superfriends? I really would like to add one here.

my personal favourite is anything that can allow you to activate abilities twice , Gideon, Champion of Justice and a board full of opponents creatures. up tick him to massive and nuke everything, then kill everyone off one by one with gideon as they dropp their first couple of lands.

And judging by how many people answered before me your colour is purple the forgotten colour of magic :(

Hope this helps and id be free to attempt to answer anything else you have quires?

April 25, 2019 3:11 a.m.

BMHKain says... #5

@SP3CTR3_chelts: Thanks! Thought I was about to go insane w/ whatever post I made before you came along. XP

Anyways, Aminatou is kept. But I'd still like some options outside of her that can blink my walkers like mad; allowing for value that can even put The Chain Veil to shame.

Also, Damn... Didn't think Tibalt #2 sucks all around... XL Although, while we're on the topic of WAR, What other Walkers from War of the Spark should be chopped? Ashiok #2 is basically Stranglehold w/o Time Stop. I can't believe there are that many I like...

Hmm... Alright. The Golgari Queen gets the Perseus Effect (Having her head chopped off.).

Huh. Personally from experience, Gideon, Champion of Justice would get a lot of hate just from exiling a whole board; which in such a case is more problematic to you, than your enemies; & they'd be pissed. XP Frankly, I was thinking of either Gideon of the Trials , or even Gideon Blackblade . Maybe you could check either out? One can lockdown anything that can do damage, become a Creature/Walker Hybrid (As w/ all other Gideons...), & keep him alive, you can't lose, & your opponents can't win. The other is a literal Exile target nonland Permanent w/ ability granting until EOT. Gideon #7/8 even is a 4/4 Human Soldier creature with indestructible that’s still a Walker. for each of your turns, & damage won't phase him during your turn. Both are even low CMC, but I wonder what you'd like more...

As for colors, Purple Mana would've been a good choice; if it existed, which it won't, & never will. I do though, have at least one other idea; but I'm basically a blunt, mental, overlyintelligent being w/ info nobody cares about. XP , because of this, is out. Leaving me w/ one of two Golgari Swarm colors: , & . Though, I believe the world is more flawed than it was than ever; cutting out from the question. though... I do consider myself as a Cynical, Brutally Honest, & Ambitious entity myself. Easily allowing into the fray. Why hasn't the Shards of Alara Block made actual Shard Watermarks again? I just... Dunno.

But, yeah. I think I might actually be related to a non-necromancing individual; though I wouldn't be surprised if the Shard of Grixis rejected me. XP But for now, more questions:

Should I remove Crucible of Worlds ? I actually use it for the Landbase I'm using, be it Cycle Duals, or even Tap Fetches.

Since everyone hated Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast , I actually found another card that works WAY better; Saheeli, Sublime Artificer . But should I keep it? Casting for free tokens is awesome, but what to target? I suppose my rocks, but can I do this over & over, or does the "Another" part require different targets each time?

I put in Sundial of the Infinite for End Step effects; allowing for stuff that should be gone EOT, to stay. Do you think this should be cut?

What Walkers should be cut to reach 100?

What Wraths would you suggest?

Is Chromatic Lantern really better than Prismatic Omen ? Then why do I have Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter for a huge amount of mana for every one +1/+1 Counter on a creature each (One each; no higher.)?

What misc. stuff would you cut; and/or add in their stead?

I think these are 20Q enough. I personally want to know your ideas on these, please. Thanks again! ^_^ Didn't think I'm (Grixis) ideas though. LoL. XD

April 25, 2019 12:09 p.m.

BMHKain says... #6

Actually, just got more stuff to add:

  1. What do you think is the better CMDR: Najeela, the Blade-Blossom , or Niv-Mizzet Reborn ? Both already seem really badass on their own.

  2. Flux Channeler , Evolution Sage (Combine her w/ Crucible of Worlds .), even Ignite the Beacon seem really good here; but what are your thoughts on them?

  3. I didn't think Dream Halls is good here. Your thoughts on this? It seems to be a staple here in Niv-Mizzet Reborn , but what about Najeela, the Blade-Blossom ? I'd like to use Muldrotha, the Gravetide here. XP

  4. There is no 4. That's all I can think of...

Now the 20Q ends here for now. Any opinions on this, SP3CTR3_chelts?

April 25, 2019 2:06 p.m.

BMHKain says... #7

BUMP (Road Runner Ninja shows off his steel Talon Claws. XD)!

Holy Cowfolk. Since I'm now trying to decide what is better than Sliver Queen between both Najeela, the Blade-Blossom , & even Niv-Mizzet Reborn , as well as several other things that are of serious note to get to 100 cards, I mentioned some things earlier about how I can achieve 100 card limit, so, why don't you guys check those out, please? Also, I'm trying to find other ways to Blink/Flicker my Walkers w/o Aminatou, the Fateshifter as my only source to do this. Since nobody answered this yet, I'm still expecting one.

Good luck BTW! I know this is possible; I'm just at the very hardest as it is... :/

April 26, 2019 10:14 a.m.

BMHKain says... #8

BUMP!!!

Decided on Najeela after all. But what I still want to know is what cards to cut in order to get to 100 overall.

Also, SP3CTR3_chelts, I still need some alts for Aminatou, the Fateshifter in the situation I don't have enough Blink/Flicker in play. Do you think Ashiok, Dream Render sucks as well? I can think of two Gideon's better than Gideon, Champion of Justice : Gideon of the Trials , & Gideon Blackblade . Do you think either is good; & if so, what would you recommend over Champion of Justice? I'd like to keep Crucible of Worlds for my Landbase (Cycle Duals, & Tap Fetches.); your opinion? Everyone hates Rowan Kenrith , & Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast for their huge drawbacks. Should I keep Saheeli, Sublime Artificer for the fact she can do the former 2's ideas, but better? I have Sundial of the Infinite for EOT effects. Should this be cut as well? What other Walkers/Wraths to Add/Cut? What's better between Chromatic Lantern , & Prismatic Omen ? & is Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter good here? We also have Ajani, the Greathearted here to back him up. Flux Channeler , Evolution Sage , & Ignite the Beacon are all awesome here; but what are your thoughts? BTW, I've already decided on Najeela, the Blade-Blossom as the CMDR.

Though I have one last question in addition: Everyone seems to be getting into Oathbreaker. In terms of Signature Spells as used in the other Command Zone (4 Max if you include Both Kenriths; & their respective cards.); does that spell have to apply w/ the Walker's Lore? I feel this is why everyone's breaking the rules of the format; & some walkers don't even have such a thing; especially since this only applies to Nonpermanents only as the Signature Spell. Is everyone really breaking the rules, or what am I missing out on? GREAT... Now you made me want to make an Inked Gaming Custom Playmat w/ 4 Command Zones. XP

April 27, 2019 7:01 a.m.

BMHKain says... #9

Tra-la-la-la-la BUMP!!!

Is this the reason you want me to playtest this? Trying to cut what doesn't pull its weight is even harder for me this way as I don't know any recommendations for Playtesting at all. If anyone can find a list of Decks recommend for Playtesting, let me know. For now though, my previous comment has all the issues I'm currently dealing w/. Why I'm so impatient for answers, I dunno. Just help this cause whatever way you guys can, please...

April 28, 2019 6:58 a.m.

BMHKain says... #10

Nobody is going to stop bumping me. Even from some- EDUCATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT?! OH NOES!!! (bump...)

Now I'm working on two projects; with this being one of them. The other being cEDH Boros. I'll make a forum post here on what are now new requirements to conform to such a thing.

For now, I've literally gone to the point of asking around at this point for cuts/replacements. Unless anyone who still cares can find any ideas here for cuts/replacements. I already have too much to do as we speak; including a Vorthos Deck based on LUDESIA: SPIDERING WITH SCRAPING. I need to do 100 cards for this & cEDH Boros as well first though. But after finding some ideas that are ridiculous, I wonder if this is even possible for a Tier 3 Targeted Archetype to get any better. I doubt it as much as all of you, but I'll mention such ideas to conform in that deck's respective goals.

But for here, & now, I'd like at some things for ideas for cuts. I would really appreciate any, I'm not playtesting w/ that many cards too many before actually doing it. I'm sorry, but that's how it is. :/

April 30, 2019 11:51 a.m.

BMHKain says... #11

If I BUMP, will you listen...?

I think I've made myself less noted about such a deck's goals until I reach 100 cards. So here they are again:

Is there any good alt Flicker effects than just Aminatou, the Fateshifter + Felidar Guardian ? I'd really like some options.

Is Ashiok, Dream Render good enough in here? Same for: Gideon of the Trials or Gideon Blackblade ? What about Flux Channeler , Evolution Sage , & Ignite the Beacon ?

Should I remove Crucible of Worlds ? I actually use it for the Landbase I'm using, be it Cycle Duals, or even Tap Fetches.

Since everyone hated Rowan Kenrith , & Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast , I actually found another card that works WAY better; Saheeli, Sublime Artificer . But should I keep it? Casting for free tokens is awesome, but what to target? I suppose my rocks, but can I do this over & over, or does the "Another" part require different targets each time?

I put in Sundial of the Infinite for End Step effects; allowing for stuff that should be gone EOT, to stay. Do you think this should be cut?

What Walkers should be cut to reach 100?

What Wraths would you suggest?

Is Chromatic Lantern really better than Prismatic Omen ? Then why do I have Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter for a huge amount of mana for every one +1/+1 Counter on a creature each (One each; no higher.)?

What misc. stuff would you cut; and/or add in their stead?

May 1, 2019 10:49 a.m.

BMHKain says... #12

BUMP-O-WUMPUS

I've still a lot to cut for this... I tried to help the cause, but it seems I am all alone on this. ~40 Cards to cut, & I am going nowhere...

That said, I am planning a Kresh Deck (again...), But I have other projects to handle first; including a Vorthos Deck that should replace one about myself.

I already posted what I wanted above, I'm stunned nobody talked about this yet... Is it the overuse of Walkers? I'm just wondering to be sure...

May 3, 2019 10:48 a.m.

Wow really nobody responded to this thread when i was on holiday! that is suprising Giving serious amounts of judement to strangers. maybe make a new thread and forum post when you make your next set of changes maybe the large amount of messages is off putting to weaker people :P

Here are my two pence on each of your questions i will reply later in the week about more cuts and wraths :)

What other Walkers from War of the Spark should be chopped?

In General i do not think WAR plansewalkers are great for super friends due to the lack of up-ticking abilities the ones you have seem a great fit though! the only ones lacking an up-tick are ashock, narset and saheeli. Ashock and narset are great FU cards to other EDH players and I believe fit nicely. Saheeli, Sublime Artificer i don't see as much of a reason behind.

I do not think you truly understand Gideon, Champion of Justice s power he exiles all other permanents including lands. It does not matter if they hate you they cant do anything :D

With the amount of fetches you currently have yes i would remove Crucible of Worlds if you were to ever put more in put it back in ( Ramunap Excavator works similarly)

I put in Sundial of the Infinite for End Step effects; allowing for stuff that should be gone EOT, to stay. Do you think this should be cut?

this does not work as well as you think as you still have a clear up stage with sundile. so yes I would remove it.

Is Chromatic Lantern really better than Prismatic Omen ? Then why do I have Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter for a huge amount of mana for every one +1/+1 Counter on a creature each (One each; no higher.)?

Its only better because it is a mana rock as well or if you are running bespoke effects like Prismatic Geoscope . either/both are good. you dont run enough creatures or counter synergy to run Jiang in my opinion.

What do you think is the better CMDR: Najeela, the Blade-Blossom , or Niv-Mizzet Reborn ? Both already seem really badass on their own.

Najela can be a win con on her own but niv is an independant draw engine , personaly for this deck i would run Niv however both work.

Flux Channeler , Evolution Sage (Combine her w/ Crucible of Worlds .), even Ignite the Beacon seem really good here; but what are your thoughts on them?

Dependons on how many tutors you want, ignite the becon is great especially at instant speed! both others are great as well as you will notmally have non creature spells or lands to play.

I didn't think Dream Halls is good here. Your thoughts on this? It seems to be a staple here in Niv-Mizzet Reborn , but what about Najeela, the Blade-Blossom ? I'd like to

yes i do not think it is great in this deck due to it super charging your opponents as well

Also, SP3CTR3_chelts, I still need some alts for Aminatou, the Fateshifter in the situation I don't have enough Blink/Flicker in play. Do you think Ashiok, Dream Render sucks as well?

I'm looking into flicker affects but your choices are not numerous. I always like to run at least one peice of GY hate in each deck so he fits but if you are short on spaces remove him.

Rowan Kenrith is da bomb doubling all planes walker affects are huge!!!! as they are activated abilities.

Ill have a look at some more wraths and cards to cut soon but i am running out of time :)

May 14, 2019 8:16 a.m.

BMHKain says... #14

Alright. At least I kept Crawlspace for my tokens. That said:

You saying I should cut Saheeli, Sublime Artificer ? Just checking to be sure.

How long would I take for me to say: I changed my mind back to Sliver Queen .

Also, Aminatou, the Fateshifter & Felidar Guardian are both cut anyway. You no longer need to search for Flicker Effects of this sort...

Unless... You'd think Venser, the Sojourner + Teferi, Timebender is good as well. Unless you want me to put Ral Zarek back in?

Finally, one other Walker in mind is Tezzeret, Artifice Master , but I dunno about such a thing. That & Rowan Kenrith is hated by all as a part of these Superfriends/Avengers type decks. Really sucks when I'm the only one to find it to be good...

That said, good luck on your research, SP3CTR3_chelts! Hopefully this post can lessen the load as a whole. But what WAR Walkers I already have that needs to be cut? I'll get to this soon enough...

May 14, 2019 10:20 a.m.

You saying I should cut Saheeli, Sublime Artificer ? Just checking to be sure.

Well I was really looking for validation, what do you copying with her?

How long would I take for me to say: I changed my mind back to Sliver Queen .

HMMM i do think this is your worst option out of the three i think najella is directly better for this deck and the hard discussion for me is between najella and the new Niv.

Unless... You'd think Venser, the Sojourner + Teferi, Timebender is good as well. Unless you want me to put Ral Zarek back in?

Ral Zarek > Teferi, Timebender and could fit i do like his interaction with chain veil. I personally do not like Venser, the Sojourner in this deck and aminato is better at resetting planeswalkers.

Finally, one other Walker in mind is Tezzeret, Artifice Master , but I dunno about such a thing. That & Rowan Kenrith is hated by all as a part of these Superfriends/Avengers type decks. Really sucks when I'm the only one to find it to be good...

Tezzeret, Artifice Master is just a value engine which is what super friends wants i suppose make tokens->card advantage->powerful ult. so he could happily go in.

Rowan Kenrith generally is not a good card, her up ability is bad her down ability is underpowered she would just be in it for her ult. I generally do not put planewalkers into decks just for their ult ability however for rowan i will make break my rule. Doubling every single planeswalker ability on an emblem is extremely powerful IMHO she also has the ability to ult herself using doubling season

Cuts:

Ashiok, Dream Render i think you are right to be concerned you can probably cut this (unless your meta is tuter and gy heavy)

Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast same question as saheeli what do you use him for?

Elspeth, Knight-Errant not convinced with her particularly

Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner not bad but better cards could be in her place you will not use her draw much

Also what is your play groups thoughs on Side boards? as the Karn, the Great Creator with Mycosynth Lattice in the side board is very good at winning. it a 10 mana 1 card win con really (can be payed over two turns), ie play Karn down him to find Mycosnth lattice, play the lattice and now your oponants cant tap lands for mana!

And just as an entertaining point i know someone who build a WUBR artifact deck with a lot of plains walkers in it and by using Mycosynth Lattice and Bludgeon Brawl he was equipping his gideon planswealker with other planeswalkers and using it to hit people with XD (not feasible as an actual strategy but I liked it)

May 14, 2019 10:54 a.m.

BMHKain says... #16

Well, there are several targets in mind:

* Sol Ring , Mana Vault , Fellwar Stone , basically mana rocks for ramp.

* Mimic Vat : Making multiple copies of this could easily Imprint the dead & put otherwise, problematic creatures on your side.

* Rings of Brighthearth : Just imagine how many copies of Loyalty Abilities I could make...

Those are the big examples. I'd like to mention Legendaries, but they can't be copied.

Just switched back to Najeela, the Blade-Blossom anyway. If Sliver Queen really sucks more than ever here; I ponder as to why...

As for Th 8 yr. old that F***s other's Fates , it just seems as if she can't do the ability on her own. Maybe an alt for Felidar Guardian could do. Also don't want to constantly rely on Oath of Teferi for more of such a thing.

As for Rowan Kenrith , Just using Doubling Season isn't even close to enough. You'd need at least one Loyalty Counter left over for her Emblem to even come in. Might as well throw in Proliferation while we're at this Charade.

As for the suggested cuts: Ashiok, Dream Render basically gives Opponents no Graveyard until death. (It.) also is a kind of Stranglehold for Walkers. It stays in for those reasons.

Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast ? You're asking the same question for Saheeli, & the answers are the same here as you'd wish.

Elspeth #1 probably should be chopped as well, but to think, Elspeth is dead, Dack Fayden is dead after chasing Ashiok to Ravnica, Whatever.

Yeah, I have literally no 4 Power stuff in here. This Kiora Atua get's Garruk's Axe.

While I don't truly have an actual Playgroup per se, If they did have Sideboards, I'd be more than obliged to not needing one (Or even using one.). So your stratagem about Karn, the Great Creator is out. But what's your thoughts on Ugin, the Ineffable ? Exiling via Topdeck to create a Token that when it dies, brings the card to your hand; bypassing even the idea of drawing. Plus, he can just eliminate anything w/ a single color of mana that's not .

I hope this could help. It could even decide some other ideas from here. Now, I'm going to watch a tutorial on Acid Pro 8; because I've a Score to make; so watching how one can do this might be useful; especially since I got this from STEAM. No, really. It's the only music making program there no matter what that is the closest to being great. But I'll have to see more of this to be sure; but to think, so many who (I guess?) were in the StepMania community probably used this...

May 14, 2019 12:13 p.m.

BMHKain says... #17

Oh, & the above post is for you, SP3CTR3_chelts. Forgot to tag you BTW.

May 14, 2019 1:51 p.m.

I understand that copy mana rocks for ramp can be good but coping untill the end of turn seems a bit under-powered.

Sorry I was unclear I do not think sliver queen in Bad I just think Najeela is a better independent token creator for this deck.

(side note loving aminatou's nickname) and i suppose she is just 3 planes walker resets so not ultimate value!

The planeswalker does not need to survive to get an emblem and an emblem does not go away when the planeswalker dies. when you get an emblem the only way to get rid of it is if someone plays a card that literally says "restart the game". So with doubling season out you play Rowan Kenrith she comes in with 8 counters you ult her for her emblem she dies (but you don't care because you got her emblem!!!

Ashiok, Dream Render i keep on flip floping at the moment i love this guy. (Got trashed in a draft by it and ghost form!)

Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast I like the removal aspect of this over saheeli and the alt i think is better (permanent copies)

Ugin, the Ineffable is great similar to Vraska, Relic Seeker IMHO it has a better up but no ult. Bothe value and removal so both great (I do love that Vraska :) )

Yeah hopefully it cant prompt some ideas :). Good luck with the music creation!

May 15, 2019 3:12 a.m.

oh also Primevals' Glorious Rebirth and Urza's Ruinous Blast due to all planes walkers being retroactively changed to be legendary these works really well!

May 15, 2019 3:32 a.m.

BMHKain says... #20

I'll have to Emulate Judge Level Stoopid on this matter:

606.5. A loyalty ability with a negative loyalty cost can’t be activated unless the permanent has at least that many loyalty counters on it.

Previously, I read if that method is used to get an Emblem, & such a Walker is at 0 Loyalty; dead it goes. No Emblem Obtained. Has this since been changed, even with the Emblem restriction? Inquiring Minds wish to know...

I had a 4th idea for copying Artifice; though I dunno if I should even put Contagion Engine in there as a 4th option.

That said, I dun suppose I should keep Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast & cut Saheeli, Sublime Artificer (I'll try not to make such crap nicknames for a logical period of time from here, but it won't be easy; I'm experimenting such things like its nothing; & is unhelpable.)

That said, I obviously won't put in Aminatou, the Fateshifter based on such ideas. Also, uh... 0-o||| Bee In your Bonnet? Ashiok, Dream Render is capable of ending Library Search for your opponents, & it's only Loyalty ability is at least, the better half of Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver 's Ult. How much Smallfry/Zako can change an opinion Left & Right alot? XD

All that set, I suppose I'll cut Saheeli from here. Actually, now I think about this; I think I've a new wincon in case I don't win w/ Najeela; Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God + Urza's Ruinous Blast . If your opinion about Abilities requiring an exact amount of Loyalty needed equal to the Walker in Question's ability (In this case; an ultimate.). Would the ability be used as if it were any Loyalty Ability; be it that either the full effect occurs before suicide (This also goes for Emblem ideas.)? I'm... unsure about this. I dunno about such an idea, SP3CTR3_chelts, but if this is truly allowed from even the idea of Comprehensible Rulings always up to date via set after set, I can tell you, Nicol Bolas at his most powerful & combined w/ Urza's Universe-Level Destruction (Maybe even higher since Dominaria is considered as the Primary Plane of Existence.), equals GG.

I'll be waiting for now BTW. Got some crap to watch...

May 15, 2019 12:08 p.m.

that is the ruling but not the correct interpretation. so as soon as you activate the -8 ability you put the ability on the stack, the planes walker will die immediately . However, you will still get an emblem. This leaves you with no planeswalker but the emblem. This has never been changed and has always been the case. Just like when something like walking balister dies when you remove its last counter the ability still resolves.

saheli does give you blockers but her -2 is really bad in this deck so i would cut her. daretti gives blockers can kill and is alt is okay ish in this deck. personally i would cut both and find another planeswalker or two. Ashiok i do like :)

I'm not sure i quite understand your question about nikky B and the ruinous blast. To play urza's ruinious blast you must have a planeswalker or legendary creature it then will exile all non-legendary non-land perminants, hopefully wiping everyone's boards and leaving all of your planeswalkers :) THe new bolas just ends up being able to use all loyalty abilities.

May 15, 2019 12:23 p.m.

BMHKain says... #22

Huh. & to think I was resorting to a ruling that is now confirmed to be a lie.

As for Bolas & An attack that made Dominaria Physically annihilated (Crap. Broke my vow. X/), Okay, those two alone might not be enough; but we've enough spot removal here it's just fine anyway; bust whatever Creatures & Walkers prior to destroying a literal Universe, & then use Nicol Bolas' Ultimate; though I guess playing that Doubling Season before Bolas before a huge boom would make the best amount of sense. If what you said is true, that effect is most likely going to go through before death, &... well, I've no idea what Kenshiro of Hokuto no Ken used that struck a pressure point that if the target moves; they're literally going to explode. Not joking with you. That said, I wonder what else there is besides Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast ; now Rowan is kept alongside Will, Saheeli is out... At this point; all I can do is wait unless there is a better option than just Daretti #2... No time for me to research though, & you must be quite busy, so maybe you can leave it to me to try & find whatever alts in such a case...? Thanks for the help BTW, SP3CTR3_chelts. You've kicked ass more than others, & I respect that. :)

May 15, 2019 1:20 p.m.

BMHKain says... #23

@SP3CTR3_chelts: Update: Can't even find a similar effect to what Daretti #2 can do. Not sure if I should keep him n, or not. Already have a wincon of a certain kind confirmed here. Question now? Some would want to cut Daretti #2, but I believe he can do more than what others give credit; his Ult can target your (Or yor opponent's) graveyard as well. Maybe a dead target in the grave at some point might actually be useful here as well. But at this point, I can't think of any other Walker to cut... Ah well.

May 16, 2019 8:53 a.m.

606.5. A loyalty ability with a negative loyalty cost can’t be activated unless the permanent has at least that many loyalty counters on it.

this ruling still does stand. it means if you have a planeswalker with 4 loyalty you can't do a -5 ability. Which actually confirms you can use a -8 when you have 8 loyalty counters (as you have "at least that many loyalty counters)

306.9. If a planeswalker’s loyalty is 0, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

and this rules states that when you have used the -8 when you have only 8 loyalty counters the planes walker will die.

But a boon for you is that you will still get the ability :)


You can do some huge things with darettis ult but only really if you had the cards in the deck already. My favourite is ulting and making 3 copies of Ugin's Nexus having to sacrifice 2-3 of them to the legend rule and somehow destroy the last for alot of extra turns but it is not really worth it in this deck. Nevinyrral's Disk could be worth adding as it is a great board whipe that does not destroy planeswalkers it can also be used with saheli as she can immediately make a copy untapped.

Im happy to help develop decks :) It stops me from building too many myself and keeping my costs down :P

May 17, 2019 6:44 a.m.

BMHKain says... #25

@SP3CTR3_chelts: BUMPOMANIA!

(Some Unknown Idiot): Well he ain't Barney the Purple Dinosaur!

Yeah... I already have a way to do Extra Turns, but he requires your faith in flipping for Heads.

Though what I wanted to know is: what are better artifact targets for Daretti than Ugin's Nexus ? If that is not worth adding, what is? Also, I'm back to 32; back to 1-squared; what 2, or more walkers would you cut? Also, ironically, I'm working on a Mono- Burn deck, but that's another tale entirely...

Your thoughts on better Artifact Targets?

May 18, 2019 12:17 p.m.

DukeNicky says... #26

if you want to flicker the walkers then there is Flicker and Isochron Scepter if creatures there are plethora of ways Conjurer's Closet or Deadeye Navigator are things I have used in my Merieke Ri Berit deck at one point as things evolve. if it is for adding extra uses to your walkers there is also Oath of Teferi

May 18, 2019 4:57 p.m.

BMHKain says... #27

@DukeNicky: I'll proceed first to find a combo for Aminatou, the Fateshifter that doesn't require Felidar Guardian before the Flicker + Isochron Scepter combo. But the fact Aminatou can't exile herself w/ the rules stating the term "another", will come back to haunt me when using something besides a Cat from Kaladesh...

Although for you, SP3CTR3_chelts, I'm still trying to find Artifact-Based Targets for both Saheeli, Sublime Artificer & Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast (Screw the opinions that they are garbage; If I fail to find an Aminatou, the Fateshifter combo, I might as well at least keep Saheeli for a combo I've yet to fully be good with for now. Might as well make a Maybeboard for now as it is... Thanks for the help, guys! ^.^

May 19, 2019 10:23 a.m.

BMHKain says... #28

Wait a minute!

Flicker doesn't even work w/ Isochron Scepter ! The former is a Sorcery. Geez, now I wonder of another combination... does Spark Double work w/ Aminatou? Also, is there something like Flicker that is also CMC 2, but an Instant, & returns the target right away? Just wondering as I can't find one...

May 19, 2019 11:34 a.m.

I'll have a look at what cards to cut in abit.

I don't think there is much to target with daretti probably just use him as a kill spell every other turn (still good value) I'll look into it still though.

Cloudshift would work with isochron sceptre but i do not think they are worth putting in. generally the idea is to flicker a walker and get its loyalty counters back to you can then imediatly use it again so the creature flickers do not work so well :(

Spark double does work with aminatou but you need either oath of tefiri and chain veil as well. The loop is: 1. have aminatou, 2. play spark double targeting aminatou, 3. use 1st aminatous ability to flicker something elsethen spark double, 4. use spark double to flicker something else then aminatou, 5. repeate infinite planeswalker abilities.

May 20, 2019 4:36 a.m.

BMHKain says... #30

Recently checked out Cloudshift . It only targets Creatures. & you're more right to a T about Isochron Scepter than many would wish; at least here of course. I'll have to deal w/ the Nature of the Spark on this...

Although, I've been trying to do something else entirely; but some would say it's "Impossible". & it involves Mono-. That's all I'm revealing, but for now, I'm going to have to look for a list of stuff Daretti #2 can use as copies...

May 20, 2019 12:38 p.m.

oops should have read the card better. i have had a gatherer search and there is nothing that exiles a permanent and returns it immediately.

May 21, 2019 3:36 a.m.

BMHKain says... #32

@SP3CTR3_chelts: Well, even though I'd like to see some stuff from Modern Horizions that's Avengers (Superfriends in Layaway Plans in Lynn terms.) Friendly, but sadly, the only real Idea I have right now, based on all this, is a true Sliver Tribal Deck... & we haven't even crossed the 100 card mark yet (It's confirmed has a Walker, & a Legendary Creature; maybe the same is true for the other Monocolors?). Oddly, some others would say these suck, even though some of the Better Walkers don't have to rely on an Ult. to be good. Two that people hated are Nahiri, the Harbinger , & Xenagos, the Reveler ; The former Rummages, & exiles targets, & the latter creates High amounts of mana, & can even make a 2/2 in a pinch. But... Bottom line, my mind is on whatever nonlegendary artifacts that can be used w/ Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast , & Saheeli; nah, I only joking; It's Lazav. XP . I guess I could put in Shalai, Voice of Plenty , but I'm trying to trim to 100, not add more problems. Your opinions?

May 23, 2019 10:53 a.m.

cdkime says... #33

So you know, there will only be two planeswalkers in this set. We have already had Serra spoiled, the other is forthcoming. Based on the art of Planebound Accomplice , I think we can reasonably guess the new PW will be Green.

Speaking of, Planebound Accomplice might be a good card to consider.

May 23, 2019 10:58 a.m.

BMHKain says... #34

uh... Now I'm wondering the worst: Not even close to crack out of a Bombmine of what needs to be 100, & whatever the heckling of a Gremlin is saying; I might actually have to find a Recursion Engine for Planeswalkers; be it non-Creature, or Permanent based; or is that already in? Ugh... I'm far too focused on other things right now anyway. I'll have to wait until all the Slivers are unveiled... & I'm literally going farther than closer. Between Robin Williams & Will Smith as their own roles as Genie; Will has a better quote for this. & yes, I did at one point, watch Mork & Mindy.

Orson: WHAT!?!

& what the heck is Fleck; some automatic growth plant that doesn't affect Orkans, but can mutilate Human Nervous Systems? Well, at least The Doctor picked up a Gun & actually used it at least once; not for the sake of killing, but dang, that was a big exception to his own bylaws, but has made bigger kills than that since.

(This was before ol' Jodie Whitiker BTW; thus the Male mentioning.)

But, alright. I'll consider that; let's just wait a little bit longer than what is spoiled currently.

(If anyone wants to know why I go all over the place w/ these kinds of posts; Possibly, my identity is wise, but is also wandering & scatterbrained. Add the possibility of in the same identity of mine, & I'm Ambitious, but my Ego, Superego, & Id all have differing roles all the time. Oh, & I'm rather Self-Reliant IRL, & is a fan of Rocket Raccoon (YA RLY), but surprisingly, Amorality is not a part of my Mana Code; but after all the Sadness/Depression inside of me became too strong, it, killed itself, making for a selfish, jerk that his heart, now immune to the deceased of famous stars on an international scale, vids on YouTube that strike at the feels hard, even death in my generation of my Family Tree, does nothing to even strike at me hard enough to even come close to feeling nothing but a normal face. Only my right eye seems to shed tears but this is for other things; allergies, much? This might have been why I even went somewhere else & was the path I chose for the worse. I'd mention one more reason, but it's explicit & already said this somewhere else; & is why I'm not a ladies man. Now you know my s. Now I'm finding that Kevin Butler PlayStation ad w/ the version about the "(Some African Country) Billionare"; not WWI, you foolish Nezumis... XP)

May 23, 2019 12:44 p.m.

BMHKain says... #35

This is a late BUMP.

While I'm working on my Yidris CHAOS deck, I might have found a loophole for Planebound Accomplice . What it is, it should be obvious, Aminatou Style. Just added Shalai, but I'm at risk to truly finish my Superfriends/Avengers Deck. Even more so, I'd Appreciate if anyone can find any ideas for targets for Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , & Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast despite the request rejected each & everytime. I have Rings of Brighthearth , Mana Rocks, A Vat of possible Garruk Chopping , & that's it. Should I cut said Walkers? I'm stunned people told me to cut both Nahiri, the Harbinger , & Xenagos, the Reveler from this. Even Chandra, Torch of Defiance where her 2nd loyalty ability adds loyalty, & adds ; resulting in mana ramp. So, I'm actually giving up on the Saheeli & Daretti debate, cut those, & add 2 or all 3 latter Walkers. I dun suppose this is for the best? Everyone hated these Walkers anyway, & the latter 3 are far better. I'll either be back to (4 Squares showing different security camera shots.), or forced to cut 1/4th. Maybe flipping 26; considering Planebound Accomplice (Thanks, cdkime; I suppose we're not as much like Eric Foreman vs Gregory House after all; actually, I have no idea how my Colors, even adding for Grixis even relates to ol' Greg at all. Even in the Rakdos Part, I only am this when such uncontrollable urges of Mature Content must be quelled & is exclusively for JP ideas. & Dimir must be how I know so many franchises nobody here even heard of; & me trying to learn more, even if I have to loaf around to do this. Oh, & my Aspergian Status Partly Derive from this (Narset's Center color is , though my mentality also seems to drive from Dimir. I'll tell more about my inner darkness later.).). One last thing; how do I edit a previous comment? I was going to edit my first post in my Ezuri deck after having quite the disagreement w/ someone...

May 24, 2019 12:52 p.m.

Plane bound apprentice and Aminatou is a glorious combo!

Still looking for target artefacts to copy.

May 26, 2019 5:27 a.m.

BMHKain says... #37

@SP3CTR3_chelts: Yeah, I even wanted to put in ol' Wrenn & Six in also as an alt for Crucible of Worlds . As for Artifact Searching, I've made a very tough decision: After all the opposition The Big 3 Baka Yarous all got, I've already removed the 2nd of these 3. Maybe their haters were right about them. I'm even contemplating removing the other two as well. Since in such a regard, you no longer need to keep searching for trash that probably won't help the whole deck at all; only those remaining 2. Considering what others said in the past, I might actually remove the other two as well. As for the CMDR change from Najeela, the Blade-Blossom back to my default Sliver Queen , My reasons stand thus:

  1. Sliver Queen is more resilient, & can make chump blockers before you block, & after any opponent declares Attackers.

  2. We have Teferi, Temporal Archmage , which all three of his abilities are great. But his Emblem, allows a Vedalken Orrery -Esque effect making potentially infinite Loyalty Abilities. I kept Chandra, Torch of Defiance in as one of her Loyalty Abilities not only gains Loyalty, but also allows Mana Ramp; but I do, realize, Jace, the Mind Sculptor , while being "The Greatest Planeswalker Card of all time" is slow, I do concur w/ this notion, but if this walker is the best since WORLDWAKE days, how the hell can one reach ultimate status before Jace can't back himself up to do a great Ult.? Back to ol' Daughter of a Dead Father that actually Survived even after Nicol Bolas "Died" (Is this true?) from having his spark forced out of him. In the right Situation, (not) Sliver Queen , she could have a Janky, but regardless infinite Spawn to strike at anyone.

  3. Don't get me wrong, Najeela is Sugoi level Awesome, but I'm fearing she might have the same flaws as Sisay, Weatherlight Captain ; though Captain Sisay is already awesome on her own. Could Sisay Numero Dos do great here as well? We already have Walkers that reach CMC7 here, but, now, the only constant is making a swarm of Walkers all w/ the same cost to search for Legends like Najeela would w/ infinite attacks. From there, though not Superfriends/Avengers CMDR Level power, Sisay #2 is a much better card than Najeela as a whole here; Once you have all 5 colors among Walkers, you might be able to search for whatever the hell you need to win. XP On the Topic of Modern Horizons, is Urza, Lord High Artificer good here as well? I don't want to add anymore cards, but ol' Urza, w/o a Spark; now means the only Walker Left in all 5 colors that can be used as a Planeswalker CMDR, is Lord Taysir of Rabiah. Regardless, This Urza is far better than the dumbass joke of a Walker from UNSTABLE; now having, basically all his abilities as Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God 's Static Ability!

Really sorry about the update. But I really want to make a High Quality Deck as well; w/ Gideon Jura Dead, & the imminent possibility that everyone wants to kill you after Gideon, Champion of Justice Literally Apocalypse 's the rest of the board (Sans your hand.). This is too risky for me to use, & as I can't find a good Gideon to use in his memory; an idiot hero who probably did more good than Gerrard Capashen brainwashed by Phyrexians as he slashed off Urza's Head, I really would like better options in that Gideons stead.

All that said, I hope you can understand my reasons behind all these changes; & that I'm trying to redeem myself to the rest of the community...

Now, If you don't mind, I am trying to rebuild my memory from what I tried to rebuild my CHAOS deck from. Just understand though, that not all such cards are truly that good. Some may be worse than others. & now I'm finishing this debate between me & the rest of this site; unlike John-117, & Thel 'Vadam (Master Chief, & The Arbiter) which one development plan was for these two to Finish the Fight together in Halo 2. Since that was canned, & Halo 5: Guardians isn't even being spoken of as even Halo fans hate that game; but what about Halo 6? Will it end the franchise for good? & what about Beyond Good & Evil 2? If the hype is real, why isn't UBISOFT developing itat even the slowest rate of progressing speed; Slower than even DUKE NUKEM: FOREVER? Fun fact! DUKE NUKEM: FOREVER isn't the worst game in the franchise; maybe you should look back in your efforts back in the GBA days; FOREVER is at least playable, the DUKE NUKEM game for GBA is so glitched, made by an atrocious developer, & is agreed that game is just; the definition of unplayable... Same for all the rest of the trash they made.

Over & out.

May 26, 2019 1:18 p.m.

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